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Yes, and one could argue that banning end to end encryption and doing preventive monitoring of all communications would render crime even less efficient.

I think it’s just natural that in a democratic society people fall on different parts of the spectrum when it comes to thinking of what the correct trade-off should be.

Recently Lyn Alden posted how her wire transfer to her family in Egypt to cover some mortgage payments got blocked. I mean, if a celebrity (in some circles) with known family ties to Egypt experiences this, what chances do we mere mortals have?

Making a 10k payment to an African country basically lands you in AML red “don’t do business with” lists. And sure enough, maybe most people doing this are financing terrorists, what do I know. But I think there’s a meaningful debate to be had here.



This argument did it for me.

> banning e2ee would render crime evem less efficient

Yeah, don't care if criminals use something that helps us all protect ourselves and reveal or be vulnerable only to disclose that which we CHOOSE. Like, the real choose, not Apple's "choose" what we want or you can't use everything


Can't have it both ways


In case you're referring to the Apple thing—umm, ya they can. They have the NoDataCollected checkmark designation in the AppStore's Privacy Nutrition Labels. Anything they make is offefed/made 3rd party also and is therefore evidence they could have collected no data but consciously choose to design things in such a was that they are being disingenuous when they say they only collect the absolute minimum amount of data required for functionality


So you...agree...right?


No, you can't say you want encryption even if bad guys use it but then say crypto is bad because bad guys use it


That is nowhere near what I was saying, I'm saying that this is the quote that resonated most with me because it tries to take away yet another thing that protects us all, not just criminals, businesses, and criminal_businesses




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