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A friend lent me a 2017 iPad that she's no longer using. I wanted to download Spotify, but couldn't, because I needed a newer version of iOS.

The device does not get a new version of iOS, so I tried Safari to see if the web client works. Spotify's web client does not work on that version of Safari.

So I tried downloading Firefox and Chrome, but I can't because they no longer support my version of iOS.

So I looked for a way to download older versions of apps (Spotify, or an older version of Firefox or Chrome on which Spotify would still work). As it turns out, there's a way: you first need to "purchase" the app you're interested in on a newer device that supports the latest version. Then, you can log into your older device and download an older version of the same app.

That means there's a way for me to run an older version of an app that works on my iPad, but nah, I need to first get a newer device and "purchase" it there.

My conclusion: the onus is on the device manufacturers to not arbitrarily restrict their users. Jim Nielsen's mom's iPad is perfectly capable of opening that website, but its manufacturers are limiting it artificially.


It gets worse. Even if you could download an old version of Firefox and Chrome to your iOS device, they'd have the same problem as Safari, because Apple bans third party browser engines. Firefox and Chrome for iOS are essentially wrappers on a Safari core.


Yes, I forgot about this. It does make it worse! I've commented this elsewhere, too: the incompatibility problem is still anti-user, it affected me when trying to download other types of apps that have nothing to do with browsers.


> My conclusion: the onus is on the device manufacturers to not arbitrarily restrict their users. Jim Nielsen's mom's iPad is perfectly capable of opening that website, but its manufacturers are limiting it artificially.

No, it's not. Firefox and Chrome on iOS both use the operating system's Safari engine. (I mean, yeah, the hardware would support running a more recent browser engine, so your point still holds.)


You're right: I forgot that ultimately it's Safari anyway. But this happened to me with several other apps, too, such as Garage Band, some synthesizer apps, even a guitar tuner wouldn't work on a completely capable device that's now basically useless!


2017? I think you have that wrong, the newest iPad no longer getting updates is the iPad mini 3 which was sold from Fall 2014-2015.


It's a 2nd generation iPad Pro. The Internet says I should be able to upgrade to iPadOS 15.2, but the device won't give me any updates and it's running iOS 10.


Maybe the update function in iOS 10 has stopped working for some reason? You could try updating it with iTunes (or via Finder on newer macOS versions).


Weird. I'd check to see if a beta profile is installed (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203282), if that doesn't work then use a Mac or PC to update it.


I've got a first gen iPad pro, running 15.1 currently. (Incidentally: thanks for letting me know 15.2 was out, I'm updating now).


Thanks for the suggestions!


This seems like a pretty poor implementation on Apple's app store's handling of out of date app installation. I believe there is a workaround where you can use an online version of the app store to first trigger an app download to your iphone, which would then transition it into that "re-download from cloud" state which lets you get an older version.


I've successfully installed an ancient version of iTunes for Windows to associate apps to my account and that method worked for a while, until Youtube pulled support for the version of the Youtube app that the old iPad I got used last. The web player is dog slow, so the iPad is pretty much a fancy glass eBook reader now.


There's actually another (terribly convoluted) way to "purchase" apps, with another computer and an old version of iTunes[0]. This version of iTunes supports searching for and purchasing apps, so it can be used to get the license for apps. I used it to get Spotify working on my 2012 iPad, installing iTunes on Linux with WINE.

[0] https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT208079


Which reminds me to ask - is anyone making a custom OS for iDevices yet? Something like Graphene for iOS? I know about Asahi Linux, but that's for M1 laptops, AFAIK. (Because the "right" solution here is clearly to ditch the OS and install something Linux-y, and then whatever software you need, including recent Chrome).

Same question for ChromeOS devices.


There are ongoing attempts at running Android on old iDevices, but I doubt they'll ever be as good as custom roms on normal Android hardware.


The iPad released in 2017 is the 5th generation which can get iOS 15. Perhaps it was an earlier iPad?


Zotero works with LibreOffice as well. It helped me tons while writing my thesis!


It's rustdoc: https://github.com/rust-lang/rustc-dev-guide/blob/master/src...

> Rustdoc actually uses the rustc internals directly. It lives in-tree with the compiler and standard library. This chapter is about how it works. For information about Rustdoc's features and how to use them, see the Rustdoc book. For more details about how rustdoc works, see the "Rustdoc internals" chapter.


I wonder if an ISO version will become available (with a <> key next to the left shift key).

It has never been the case for their other models :(


Didn't know signing as "Jane Doe" was a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictitious_defendants

EDIT: to clarify, in this case "Jane Doe" is the plaintiff.


I learned of "Corporation Doe" through the epstein private suits.


Plugging my own FF/Chrome browser extension that lets you add domains you want to block and will simply prepend matching text links with an angry emoji and prompt you to confirm whether you want to visit the page or not:

https://github.com/fnune/nay


I brew coffee using what's IMO the ultimate moka pot: the Alessi 9090. It's designed by Richard Sapper who also designed the first ThinkPad.

I still think a proper espresso machine produces better... espressos, but in my tiny apartment the moka pot is a great alternative. There's certainly a fair bit of technique involved, so you probably won't produce your best coffee on the first go.


And this is the ultimate HN answer.

Even in a thread about coffee, it must mention ThinkPads

But I also have the same moka. It’s good


It's not the ultimate thread, though, until someone mentions that ThinkPads are made by Lenovo who got caught including spyware in their laptops. That reply will get at least 2 replies that say, 'yah but never in the thinkpad lineup'


yah but never in the thinkpad lineup


yah but never in the thinkpad lineup


yeah but never in the thinkpad lineup


I believe the 9090 doesn’t usually have a red flourish, but this[0] anniversary edition does, and if you look at other Sapper work[1] you’ll see how the red highlight, like the track point[2] seems to fit into a theme of his he works into various products.

[0] https://www.finnishdesignshop.com/design-stories/classic/ale...

[1] https://www.artemide.com/en/subfamily/18869/tizio

[2] https://money.cnn.com/gallery/technology/2015/01/08/thinkpad...


To be fair, it's like a combination of their two favorite things


If you go on the ThinkPad forums all they talk about is Moka Pots.

It's turtles all the way down!



I prefer Giannina's - they're steel as well and the lock mechanism is wonderfully solid. In my family we had exactly 3: one at my grandparents', one at my parents', and one at my house. The 3-6 cup filter is a nice touch for when people comes over for dinner.


I thought $200 for the Thinkpad Designer's was expensive. Then I saw the price of the Giannina.

I'm sure the locking mechanism and aesthetics are much better, and they're a pleasure to use. But something about a $10 thrift store moka pot works well. And no qualms about taking it on a camping trip, to use over a fire.


what? a giannina is about 60€. and I assure you they last a lifetime (my parents still use one of them daily from before I was born, 40 years ago)


May you share where? From a cursory glance, US retailers only sell them for 1.5x the price: ~120 USD


Just randomly found one at 99 here https://us.consiglioskitchenware.com/collections/giannina-es... (buyer beware I don't know the details) seems a fair price for the import costs.

The 60€ price I mentioned was from the Italian Amazon.


Thank you. I should've specified I was looking at larger 6/3 cup variant. Seems like Amazon.it has that for 75€ versus 120 USD, but I agree that it's a fair price given import costs, running a business, and theoretical customer support.


> 200$

idk here even on amazon it's like 60eur new.

anyway, I'd bring a Giannina over a campfire than any aluminium thrift moka. sure bottom will blacken a little externally, but ours lasted so long they all eventually blackened outside anyway.


The problem with traditional moka pots is that they can not be used on induction stoves. As people move from gaz to induction, they abandon Bialetti and Alessi gadgets.


Alessi 9090 is suitable for induction. Source: me. I used to use it on induction and you can also check on Alessi website (https://eu.alessi.com/products/9090-espresso-coffee-maker). I'm now using it on gas without any problem.


My induction doesn't recognize small diameters.


They sell Bialetti's that work with induction these days, example: https://www.johnlewis.com/bialetti-venus-induction-stove-top...


Meh, you simply need an "adapter", a disk of metal that is compatible with induction stoves and will warm the moka pot on top.


Bialetti (and others) manufactures also stainless steel ones, not sure why would one buy aluminium ones (when we phased out aluminium from basically all other cookware).

I am super happy with mine, close to a thousand coffees made with 0 maintenance, for 5% of the price of a good coffee machine. And the only waste is coffee grind itself.


We have an aluminium Bialetti, but I really hate the feel of the aluminium after a while; I touch it with my fingers but I feel it in my teeth, I honestly can't stand it, just thinking about it puts my teeth on edge.

Long story short, we bought a stainless steel version, and I love it so much. Probably made 3,000 coffees with it, and it's almost as good as the day we bought it. No a single part replaced or damaged.

Really happy to hear they are coming back from the brink.


Yes, just get a steel one. Aluminium ones feel unpleasant to the touch and they don't survive the dishwasher. Two of mine have been killed that way. (To be clear, it's not me who put them in the dishwasher).


Bialetti makes several stainless steel models. They all work on induction and are easier to clean than aluminum anyway.


You can just use the ones suitable for induction stoves, though? I love my Bialetti induction moka pot.


From what I've seen, stainless steel Bialettis (what you need for induction) are not the original "made in Italy". Not that it is necessarily a bad thing, but there is little point sticking with the Bialetti brand if you want an induction moka pot.


I've found that you have to use less heat on them so that the coffee extracts slower than the traditional bialetti and the "knockoff" that I bought was about as good. With similar heat I coudl tell just by the color it wasn't extracting the same


Generally you want to use as little heat as possible when brewing with a moka pot. The most common issue people have with them is bitter coffee caused by burning their ground. The usual advice is to boil the water before filling and chilling as soon as the pot starts bubbling.

From my point of view, if what you are looking for is a very finicky way of making coffee, you have two options: a cheap moka pot or an expensive coffee machine. Then again, I do have a Silvia. Finicky has a certain appeal.


Adapters also exist, which I use



I have a Bialetti Venus as my first and only moka pot, and it's still fabulous.


> The problem with traditional moka pots is that they can not be used on induction stoves.

Wrong. Any kind of ferromagnetic sheet of metal (ie even your random iron pie pan) will pick up induction. I regularly use a standard moka pot on my induction stove.


Aren't a lot of them aluminum? Or are those not "traditional"?


The traditional ones are aluminum and therefore need an adapter to use on an induction stove which can be a simple ferrous sheet. The gp was quite obnoxious about saying that though.


Well then TIL that my moka is not a standard one... It was bought recently tho (like ~5 years ago), so perhaps it's gone standard to put some ferrous thing at the bottom, idk.


How’s long have you been using it? How do you like it as a daily driver? If the handle/latch stays tight, it certainly does improve on the twist/twist/twist/twist… of (eg) Bialetti pots.


Three months only, but without a doubt it's the best moka I've had. As a daily driver it's great:

- For some reason it succeeds at temperatures lower than other mokas I've had, which is good for the taste as well as for energy savings and the life expectancy of the rubber piece.

- It doesn't drip! All mokas I've had dripped at some point.

- It doesn't have a plastic handle that will melt if you forget to turn off the stove (yup I've done this).

I'm comparing it to an IKEA moka and several Bialetti mokas. Not fair in terms of price.


If you want actual espresso without using much more space, check out the wacaco picopresso. Super happy with it


So is the progress bar on GitHub and many webpages. I think in most sites, users aren't interested in how much it's loaded but rather in the fact that it's loading at all (note that this doesn't apply to all progress bars).

Implementing a fake progress bar can be done once and it works everywhere, but a controlled progress bar that's accurate needs to be connected to some actual progress data, and this is engineering work for questionable results.


Just curious: what's the connection between paella and Arabs? I lived in Valencia for about 15 years and never heard of this.

In Valencia, it's popularly accepted as a fact that the origin of paella is in the Albufera region next to the city.

I don't mean for this to sound snarky, I'm no historian and my knowledge about this is purely casual.


Likely related to Pilaf way of cooking rice?

Similarity, Tapas and Meze are the same


The OP of that question is Manishearth, from the Rust core team!


I suppose he was working on Servo when looking into this sort of question.


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