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So you're talking out of your ass and that's the best evidence you've got? Because the person you're replying to apparently has some first-hand experience (which I've also seen but to a much lesser degree) and I'm sure as hell thankful that there's even a modicum of regulation in the food industry.


So you're talking out of your ass

Actually, no. If you bothered to actually try and understand what I'm saying, you'd realize that's not the case. What I'm saying is, we know the "first principles" (eg, human nature being what it is) and we can reason from first principles using deductive logic. So you can call that "talking out your ass" if you want, but I don't think that's accurate at all.


If you think deductive logic is enough to reason about a system as profoundly complex, chaotic and difficult to model as the food industry + business and government interests then I suggest you step away from your naive mental model and look at how those entities are actually studied in real life and realize that data and evidence are substantially more important.

And the data and evidence point to the fact that governments with strong and healthy regulatory bodies do a far better job at public safety than any commercial enterprise by itself. Even the very reason why commercial verification and safety inspections by companies like UL and reinsurers work is because there's a strong legal process behind that and government institutions that are willing to put the foot down given enough public pressure.

Also, please, do me a favor and find me a social scientist who thinks that our "first principles" are anything but a crude and profoundly erroneous way to think about institutions and that those principles will do anything even remotely decent to approximate social reality.

I stick to the facts of food safety, and from my empirical experience of what few places me and my loved ones have been to in the world, I'd rather eat food certified as safe by an EU state any day over, say, a commercial institution in Namibia, massive warts and all.


But that's not the point. This is much bigger than "food safety". But I get the feeling we aren't making any progress towards any shared understanding here, so I'm done.




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