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> The defense is of course that some people can do that - Musk did it, so why not?

If you think that Musk did his endeavors in order to become rich, you are likely mistaken.



What drives him then? Power?


Seeking approval. It's apparent from everything he posts on X + the memeing + the whole "I am a elite Path of Exile"-saga.


> + the whole "I am a elite Path of Exile"-saga

That was the most "the emperor wears no clothes"-moment I've ever witnessed in my life. I play more PoE than I care to admit, and it was obvious within mere seconds that he has absolutely no clue what's going on.

It was absolutely surreal to watch.


It started with d4 before poe and was painfully obvious then. Poe was just icing on the cake as it is not for the casual.

It is also so bizarre to brag about rankings for games where the grind to end game is a massive time sink. It wasnt like he was some LoL god where there is no grind only skill.


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Keep the totally out of pocket red-pill misogyny outta here. Where did that even come from


Interesting, I didn't know; context:

> His character, at the impressive level of 95, reflected not only a significant time investment but also a high degree of expertise.

> Musk’s performance has sparked skepticism about whether he genuinely leveled and equipped his character himself.

> The prevailing sentiment in the gaming community is that Musk doesn’t typically invest much time in video games, but instead leverages gaming achievements to draw media attention.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Elon-Musk-embarrasses-himself-...


I think "self promotion" is a better description than "seeking approval".

IMO people who are seeking approval tend to not go out of their way to be assholes quite so often ("pedo guy" incident, for example).


> Seeking approval

Yea, that’s called narcissism. Their only drive in life is to be admired, and it’s much easier to lie and deceive to reach that goal, than doing something that’s truly praiseworthy


More posts about British politics than SpaceX recently!

Some people are just driven. A friend of mine who failed at a first startup (in a domain in which he had lots of expertise) then succeeded with his second startup: very nice exit but that's not why he was doing it.

He's an action junkie.

In both cases he saw inefficiencies and just wanted to spend the energy he's always been overflowing with to improve things. I don't know about Musk but my friend hates mediocrity and saw everything as something he can improve.

In another case I was in car, for a long trip, with someone else (who was working to become an... Ambassador: hardly the tech type!) and that person would constantly comment on what could be done enhanced.

Something something about personality types, the builders, etc.

Those who only ever want to spend the money of --and benefit from the wealth created by-- others are going to dismiss it all as "people who are after money" but it's more complicated than that and you can't generalize people.

I know several doctors for example: two of them are clearly money-driven (one of them literally told me "I'd never ever teach medicine, I'm in this only for the money") but most of the others I know are just happy to help people be more healthy.

I've got another friend, not rich at all, he's working an additional job as a firefighter: sure it brings some money, but that's not the reason. He's also an action junkie. He was there driving ambulances during Covid: to be helpful, for the action, etc.

It's not all about money. Thinking it's only about money is a mindset that often comes from those who want the money of others (through taxes).


> Thinking it's only about money is a mindset that often comes from those who want the money of others (through taxes).

Thanks for your agenda, was really looking forward to it.


You made me lol

I don’t hear this perspective too often in my bubbles and it does make a lot of sense - the money of these people would be a means to an end. Sure they might want more money to enable their goals, but the money itself isn’t the goal.

Thanks for sharing, it’s nice to be reminded of potential other motivations of people who outwardly seem to just want to accumulate money.


It's the same in the "through taxes" camp. You have the action junkies there too, they were just airdropped into some political context for some circumstantial reason.

Though this action drive (and the means he has) could be used for so much better. Humankind's top 10 problems don't include the issue of being confined to a single planet. That far down the list. The actual stuff gets you less attention from the tech crowd. Hunger. Poverty. Wars. Droughts. Mass extinctions. Climate change. Transmittable diseases. Cancer. Alzheimers. It's beyond me how one can reasonably argue (or defend somebody who does) that we really ought to focus on becoming multi-planetary.


Spreading his seed.


A charitable response would be the desire to push the boundaries of what is (or is considered) possible.

A less charitable response would be the desire for attention and approval to fill some kind of deeply rooted inferiority complext.

The latter view would also illustrate a similarity to Trump.


Going to Mars.


I'm convinced this is a schtick. Not that he doesn't genuinely want that, but it's not the root motivation. I suspect it's something more like wanting to be perceived as a real-world Tony Stark. The cave rescue capsule episode is illustrative. The guy likes attention.


Armchair analysis would also mention that Jeff Bezos is going for the Moon with his space, and how do you beat that guy with that ambition? Get to Mars, first. From a scientific perspective, the Moon makes more sense, but if we frame it as billionaires trying to out do one another, what comes after who's got the bigger yacht? So a competition between billionaires on who's better also makes sense as his true motivation.

End of the day though, why does it matter his true motivation? If I was working at one of his companies, as long as the paycheck cashes and the stock options are legally mine, if his motivation is money-based or attention-based or he's a true believer, I'm getting money and I can feed my kids.

It's not like I'm going to get the chance to talk with him personally and get to know him and sus out what it is, either, so it's all just pointless theorizing. What we, the general public "know" is a result of various people with their own agenda pushing their owna viewpoints? Does the man know anything at all, is he a total charlatan, or is he smart and gets it? Hit refresh on a different subreddit and get a different answer.


> End of the day though, why does it matter his true motivation?

Are you asking why the motivations of one of the richest (and thus most influential) people on the planet matter? He’s actively influencing domestic and foreign elections to further his own goals. He gutted government aid programs, leading to millions of deaths. He shares propaganda to a massive audience. Of course his motivations matter.

> If I was working at one of his companies, as long as the paycheck cashes and the stock options are legally mine, if his motivation is money-based or attention-based or he's a true believer, I'm getting money and I can feed my kids.

Yeah, until the world he creates is one where you can’t. The reason the world is in its current fucked-up state is that too many people think like that. Until the leopard eats their face and they’re surprised, but by then it’s too late.


> The cave rescue capsule episode is illustrative

That seems an incredibly minor thing in the grand scheme of Elon Musk's life to judge him on it. I think it was stupid and unnecessary, and betrays a deficiency of character, but it's so tiny compared to dragging the world into car electrification, satellite internet, not just recreating the US rocket industry but making reusable rockets, online payments, and conservative opinions like "trans women aren't women" no longer being a bannable offence on the world's main discussion platform.


That's not just a conservative opinion, it's a view widely held across the political spectrum.

Janice Raymond, left-wing radical feminist, wrote a book making that point in the 1970s.


> wanting to be perceived as a real-world Tony Stark

The thing is, he _had_ this. He had all of Reddit worshipping him. He had the press. He had the tech-internet.

Then he knowingly blew it all up overnight to ally with Trump.

I think the reasons why are pretty clear: a son-who-loves-me became a daughter-who-despises-me and his companies got repeatedly hamstrung by California Democrats.

But if his root motivation was truly just approval, he would have taken it on the chin and accepted slower growth of his other ambitions. So it's a little more complicated than that.


> Then he knowingly blew it all up overnight to ally with Trump.

He blew it up years before that with his "pedo guy" false accusation drama.


> Then he knowingly blew it all up overnight to ally with Trump.

It's true. Nothing the American left hates more than an ex-Democrat. If only they hadn't made being a centrist a Republican position.


> Then he knowingly blew it all up overnight to ally with Trump.

This is speculation, but I am guessing that he didn't do this knowingly. He's probably surrounded with yes-men who didn't challenge his fever dream of swooping in, fixing the government, and being lauded as a hero.




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