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510 tonnes went to Moscow to never be seen again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Gold_(Spain)



No it didn't. The gold didn't disappear.

Did you actually read the wiki you linked?

Spain transferred the gold to Moscow who liquidated it on Spain's behalf to buy guns, fund the civil war, and deposit in banks.

There's mixed views whether Moscow took too much of a margin, but they melted down gold after selling it and the gold is still in circulation.


Exactly that, never to be seen again :)


Huh?

If you melt down gold, how are you not staring at the same gold?

Moscow didn't steal anything either.


Hah, and me who thought they only stole Romania's national treasure, under the guise of 'safekeeping'.

I guess Russia has always been a shitty country.


> I guess Russia has always been a shitty country.

Eight hundred years is time enough to perfect it.


Except you're leaving out two key facts:

1. National treasures (ex gold) were returned in '35 and '56.

2. Romania intervened against the Bolsheviks in Bessarabia.

#2 seems like FAFO to me. And I'm sure some Romanians got kickbacks from the "transfers." Nobody forced Romania to transfer their assets.


You have no idea what you are talking about.

1. They never returned 92tons of gold. The vast majority of the national treasure is still in Moscow. I hope the EU ties this to the current Russian assets frozen in the EU.

2. Bolsheviks ? Russia collapsed in 1917 and Bassarabia voted to join Romania. There was no Russian control in Bassarabia, no war, no fight.

Nobody forced them, true, they were in dire circumstances, but it proves even more how much Russians can be trusted. 0. Shitty country since forever.


Please read again and calm down.

I expressly said "ex gold."

>Bolsheviks ?

Lmao. Where are you getting these falses premises?

1. Who rose to power after Russia collapsed in 2017?

2. There was no Bolshevik fighting or presence in Bessarabia?

3. Romania didn't intervene to fight Bolsheviks in Bessarabia?

You must be hallucinating to think otherwise.[0]

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_military_intervention...


1. You use 'ex' to mean except ? In common parlance ex means 'example'. So your phrase becomes: National treasures (example gold) were returned in '35 and '56.

Which is what I responded to.

Gold was part bars and part rare historical coins.

Also still unreturned, which is extremely valuable:

Queen Marie’s jewels were not returned The Romanian Crown Jewels were not returned Royal and dynastic archives Private deposits of Romanian citizens Orthodox Church treasures

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2024-0171...

2. Who were these Bolsheviks ? There was no government, they weren't Russian / Soviet - what were they ? Give me some source that shows Romania was fighting Tsarist Russia / URSS / Russia (?). Your article doesn't clarify that at all. I wonder why.

Romania entrusted Tsarist Russia with its national treasure.

Do you deny there's state continuity from before 1918 ?


>In common parlance ex means 'example'.

This claim is wrong.

You meant to say "ex." is common, noting the period for the abbreviation. Whereas ex is commonly used (See "ex dividend".) as I did above.

I'm skipping the rest of your reply because it's a waste of time after you loaded up with a spiteful tone -- "you don't know what you're talking about"-- only to be wrong about language and somehow you dispute the Wikipedia article which clearly mentions (anti-)Bolshevik opponents.


it's ok, I know you meant for this thread to diverge into pointless arguments. But for everyone else reading:

1. https://www.oed.com/search/dictionary/?scope=Entries&q=ex

2. "Bolsheviks" aren't a nation.


You linked a dictionary that's paywalled and further, all of the 12 stub entries appear to refute your interpreted meaning of "ex" from earlier and affirm my usage.

Are you trying to be ironic?

Also, nobody said #2.


1917*

"The Spaniards will never see their gold again, just as they don't see their ears" this is supposedly what Stalin said according to Alexander Orlov. From the same link.


> supposedly


I’d give it the same relevance as “Moscow didn’t steal the gold” in any case.


If you sell something to another party or they deposit it in a bank on your behalf, then the other party didn't steal it.


You didn't answer my question.

Cherrypicking a quote from Stalin who was using sarcastic humor at a banquet when the gold arrived also doesn't refute my point or answer my question.




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