> Almost all computer equipment companies are from US.

Made in a few Asian countries. I think it's kind of funny reading the contents of your post and how it ignores Asia, that's actually behind most of it. How much of a Dell PC is US-American?

> > Almost all computer equipment companies are from US. > Made in a few Asian countries.

Using European technology (ASML).

Was it laziness and stupidity, or was it protection money. I thought the deal since WW2 was a US security guarantee, in return for letting the US have our money. A protection racket. Or perhaps it was more like Europe paying tribute to its colonial master.

Anyhow it is clear the protection is not to be relied upon, so it is time to stop paying. It is dangerous making deals with gangsters. It is perhaps more dangerous to change the deal. But when the protection is not there, it is time to build strength.

Well done to France for maintaining its independent nuclear deterrent through this era. Britain made a mistake letting that go

>Britain made a mistake letting that go

https://thebulletin.org/premium/2024-11/united-kingdom-nucle...

It is not clear what point you are trying to make?

That Britain has a nuclear deterrent.

> I thought the deal since WW2 was a US security guarantee, in return for letting the US have our money

No. The Marshall Plan was about rebuilding Europe so it could be a military ally against the Soviet Union. The trade stuff came afterwards.

Was the Marshall plan the only piece of policy between the US and Europe since WW2?

> Was the Marshall plan the only piece of policy between the US and Europe since WW2?

What do you think.

Wait so the US is supposed to provide security at no cost forever? Are you talking about NATO or something else? The only thing I see a problem is all countries paying the same rate to be in NATO.

The cost is us buying their stuff instead of building our own.

Wouldnt say its laziness.

The US has a long history of funding the Silicon Valley expansion using Darpa and other federal agencies for example.

Europe never had such a thing, and they had a fragmented market for a long time.

The big money is in the US, thats why the talent goes there.

And where would Silicon Valley be without CERN, that created the www?

Silicon valley has its origins with HP and Intel, producing hardware and chips.

Yes, the www was created at Cern, but this is only a small part of the whole tech industry and history as a whole.

Also before that, Arpanet, the precursor of the Internet, was created and funded in the US by the military and the top unis.

Is the castle made in the US? Why cut it off at precisely that point?

Where was binary logic invented? Where was boolean algebra invented? Where was the turing machine invented?

Hell, we can go back even further. Where would any of this be without Aristotle?

Of course, this castle has been built by many many stones. But I think it's fair to say most stones came from Europe.

Could be, but so what?

The fact is the US and China are steamrolling us with their IT companies since decades.

We need to wake up and do it ourselves.

>> Is the castle made in the US? Why cut it off at precisely that point?

Because I was talking about this “internet was invented in CERN”, which is just not a little bit true

About the rest: So what?! Thanks Thanks Europe and Europeans!! We just killed 6 Mio. Judes and burned people in the middle ages… but wait. We invented the Web!!! And we can forget everything that came from Asia and middle East also. All is our merit!!! Again, my point is it is stupid to say some country invented X.

What kind of cheap chauvinism is that? Please give me a break. Many things where invented everywhere in the world, and I could not care less, because that will not make me better or worse because of being part of a country which borders were defined not 100 years ago.

The starting point of this thread in HN is about starting to develop some kind of digital independence, because frankly, the EU may have GDPR, but in everything else is much worse and stuck like 5 decades ago.

Everyone knows Al Gore invented the internet.

Your words are displaying the mindset that is the main driving force behind the currently ongoing decline of the American empire. Incredible hubris paired with ignorance and a lack of self reflection. Great qualities if you want to go further down that line.

Almost all computer equipment is from China.

Well, the currently best OS widely deployed is Chinese only. HarmonyOS, a microkernel OS replacing Android on Chinese phones. About 10x faster development than in the US. And secure, unlike Linux.

Fuchsia never made it widescale. They started a couple of years before the Chinese and then got stuck

"Best OS" as determined by who? Even just checking the Wikipedia page for HarmonyOS is sure to give a chuckle:

> supporting both tablet mode and full desktop counterpart in line with Huawei MateBook

I'm sorry, "MateBook"? Lol, I wonder where they possibly got the idea for that name from.

> More on the laziness and stupidity of their allies.

s/laziness and stupidity/corruption/g

See, for instance, what happened to Gemalto.