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It's cheaper to buy a new printer every month (idiallo.com)
32 points by foxfired 4 days ago | hide | past | favorite | 42 comments




FYI, the included cartridges in a new printer are typically a 'low capacity' type. This has been true for 20+ years. You may find yourself both spending a large amount of money, and generating a significant amount of e-waste if you pursue this strategy.

It is important to check consumable cost when buying a printer. They aren't all the same in this regard.


Pro tip: Sometimes refurbished printers have the actual full cartridge. I once bought a refurbished Xerox laser printer and used it for 12+ years and it was still printing when I threw it away despite the low ink indicator having come on for the last couple of years. I went through all of high school and university with the same $60 printer (and cartridge).

That means it's possible to make a printer that has a cartridge that outlives the life of the printer for typical home users. Getting people to replace the cartridge is mostly artificial and not some inherent technology limitation. If they really wanted to, they could make 50% of the interior space of the printer just one big laser ink cartridge that prints like 5000 pages, which in 2025 means it's going to last the rest of your life.


Sure, but a lot of ink cartridges sold separately are also low capacity now.

The seeming paradox reminds me of a simlar flavor one: the fact that if you accidentally knock a hole in your drywall, it's cheaper to cover it with a flat screen TV than to pay someone to fix the hole.

Even cheaper to buy a small tub of putty and a putty knife if you don't have one.

I was picturing more like a sledgehammer size hole.

I suppose I don't know what kind of antics you get up to where that's an accident, but in any case you could maybe use those patch things, or you can probably buy a bit of new drywall, cut an even shape around the hole and use that as a template to cut your new drywall, insert it, and use putty to clean up the edges. Still only like $20-30 total.

Respectfully, have you ever actually repaired a hole bigger than a couple of cm, then sanded it and painted it to match the rest of the wall? Yes,the materials and tools cost less than a TV. What cost more than the TV are the materials, tools, and time needed to master the proper skills if you don’t already have them.

The hardest part _by far_ is texturing. I found matching the texture of the surrounding area near impossible during my DIY

Fixing the hole is easy. Few more steps than you described, but still easy. Texturing less so.

That only works for really small holes.

Not that hard to patch the drywall yourself though.

Can't show ads on patched drywall

That's a plus - patch drywall doesn't show annoying, crappy, unwanted ads at every opportunity.

Cost disease gone wild

The floor on refurbished laser printers is about $100 on Amazon and remanufactured toner cartridges are dirt cheap often times less than $15 for 2000-6000 pages.

This is the way. There is no reason to buy ink based anymore.


The wild part is that this isn’t really a pricing mistake, it’s the business model. That $65 Canon isn’t “a printer”, it’s a subsidized acquisition channel for a customer who will buy OEM ink at a huge margin or sign up for some kind of recurring refill program later. Accounting is fine eating some or all of the printer cost if the average buyer turns into years of cartridge revenue.

If you buy a new printer every time you run low on ink, you’re basically arbitraging that CAC line item. On paper it can be a “life hack” as long as only a few people do it and you ignore the e-waste and friction. If it ever became common, the easy knobs for the manufacturer are obvious: even smaller starter carts, more lock-in, more activation hoops, and less of the subsidy that makes this trick work in the first place.


This is where Brother laser printers are/were supposed to be superior. Affordable ink cartridges, refillable, good capacity, no DRM.

But I upgraded the printer driver some months ago (on macOS) and Hey, Presto! No more functioning printer.


Why do you need to use a proprietary software driver? Brother printers support CUPS.

I had a Brother laser printer for a very long time and printed a TON of paper with it. But it finally gave up the ghost during the COVID supply-chain meltdown and when looking at new Brother laser printers I discovered that they now have a much wider range of offerings and some are clearly not friendly. So the generic advice no longer applies - you have to be careful which one you buy.

Now, because of those supply chain issues they were all marked up to exorbitant prices; I ended up getting an Epson EcoTank thing from Costco with no markup and a bonus extra (quite large) pack of ink. We’ve been very happy with it and the ink isn’t actually very expensive at all. Given the electricity usage difference between laser and inkjet, it might even be cheaper per page.


Do you have an example of an unfriendly model from Brother?

If you don't need color I recommend going with a laser printer. Not only for lower consumable costs, but better software support too. In 2009 I bought a Lexmark laser printer new for $120 at Frys. It has native postscript support, so it will work with anything without having to load software from the manufacturer. I systems ranging from an old Macintosh Quadra running System 7 to new Mac running MacOS Tahoe, a PC running Windows 11 and everything in between. It even works in Linux too.

The consumables are cheap too. I have just replaced the toner cartridge once and a new OEM one was about $80 on Amazon.


There is probably a lot less ink in the included cartridges. They always get you. Don't print.

How about ink tank printers?

They are more expensive. Because the lock-in isn't as tight.

I still like them because, ironically, for sporadic printing, they're more resilient than many ink cartridges.

So far, I haven't experienced any clogging (dried up ink in the print heads) or the printer resorting to ink consuming processes every time it's turned on after not having been used for a couple of weeks.

This is after some years of usage where I've refilled the tanks once.


Not great. They still clog, the printer still wastes a ton of ink on cleaning or adjustment or whatever. Last time I had one I woke up one day to find that all of the yellow ink was gone. Several ounces of ink presumably dumped into a sponge inside the printer. I chucked the whole damn mess in the trash and bought a Brother laser printer.

That would be to consequent.

Ink tank printers ftw. They are much more expensive than these cheap printers bundled with small cartridges, but from my limited experience they are somewhat decent, and the ink is quite cheap too. They don't like not being used for long periods of time, but I run one page through it once a month or so and it seems quite content to just sit there the rest of the time and do nothing.

Inkjets are a no go if you're printing any significant amount of pages or if you're only printing sporadically. That's like 99% of their use case. The other 1% is photo printing, which I see a bit pointless when you can get a real photographic, not ink, print for a few cents.

Anyone remember the good old days where computer manufacturers would throw in a free printer with the purchase of a desktop computer? I ended up with 6 or 7 printers stacked in the closet. Instead of changing cartridges we changed printers. :)

This calculation does not apply to modern ,"inktank" printers, which are replenished by buying ink bottles and pouring the liquid ink into the reservoir in the printer. They print considerably more than cartridge based inkjets.

I also thought of binning it and buy another. But I found that Chinese made cartridges are much cheaper on amazon. You get 3 sets (12 pieces) in one pack and they last fairly longer.

Couldn’t you donate a gently used printer and get a tax deduction?

I have used the same printer since 2019 and haven't changed the toner once. HP Neverstop.

Isn't that a pack of 5? So divide the ink price by 5. Much lower than the printer.

Here's the page: https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/352475/Canon-PGI-280X...

It's honestly hard to tell, but I think the pack of 5 is for the set, not 5 of each.


Better yet break the printer and send it for a full refund.

Still waiting for that paperless society.

Return it to Costco once a month.

I started my career in tech as helpdesk. I recall the office printer was always broken or throwing a fit, and we’d be called in to troubleshoot. Or someone’s PC for whatever reason would not be able to connect to the printer. Almost felt like a conspiracy that printers were so unreliable.

Fast forward to today and my retired dad still insists he needs to print out paper documents to read even though he can perfectly see his 30” monitor or his iPad. His printer is always broken for some reason or another and every time I visit my parents’ home I’m troubleshooting his printer again.

I despise printers.


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You put that in your inkjet printer?

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