A John Deere tractor would be useful to a primitive agrarian society, but they didn't have one of those either.
We have plenty of evidence for domesticated cats 4,000 years ago in Ancient Egypt. We have no evidence for cats in earlier civilizations, so any assumption that they had them was a lazy guess - granted that we have fewer surviving artifacts from those eras anyway.
It's hard to prove a negative, but the recent discoveries seem to demonstrate that cats were in the middle of being domesticated in ancient Egypt. It doesn't completely rule out a line of domesticated cats in the Levant that since died out.
> We have plenty of evidence for domesticated cats 4,000 years ago in Ancient Egypt.
We have plenty of evidence for cats being around humans 4,000 years ago—domestication is another topic entirely. Even now you can find big cats living alongside humans clearly without domestication.
I think a better word than "useful" in the context of cats is "tolerated". The self-domestication hypothesis ala dogs makes a lot more sense than the active domestication of livestock.
10k was roughly invention of agriculture and cats are super useful for rodent control so there were many attempts to domesticate them since then in various parts of the world. They failed sooner or later because almost all cat species are not really consistently friendly towards humans.
Modern cats come from 4k years ago when people finally found the species of wild cat that behaved pretty much domesticated already and just dispersed it around the world.
I agree. I would guess that "most people" would think that cats were domesticated in Egypt because of their cat worship - as the article mentions. Turns out we the people were right. From the article's perspective "most people" apparently means "most scientists".
This is often the case. In the absence of clear, overwhelming evidence to the contrary, I find it best to accept what ancient writers say. In this case, Herodotus wrote about cats in Egypt and clearly thought them a fascinating novelty. If a well-traveled Greek from Halicarnassus thought that cats required several paragraphs of description and were something he specially associated with Egypt, it would seem pretty likely that a) cat domestication occurred in Egypt based on his full description and b) domesticated cats did not spread out of Egypt until quite late.
This happens again and again because nobody can make a career out of saying "yes, Herodotus/Thucydides/Polybius/etc were right." Well, at least not until many other people spend their careers writing about how they were wrong.
One fascinating passage in Herodotus's description mentions that cats were attracted to fire and would sometimes run into them and die. My edition describes this in a footnote as a ludicrous embellishment. I agreed...until I dated a girl who told me (unprompted, never having heard this) how her pet cat had done exactly this.
> I would guess that "most people" would think that cats were domesticated in Egypt because of their cat worship
Egyption cat worship is about on par with cat worship on the internet ca. 2005-2015. And most people on the internet don't even have grain stores that benefit from the protection of a cat. I certainly wouldn't have drawn a connection between "Ancient Egypt is long ago and they worshiped cats, thus they domesticated cats"
While cats are a certified plague on wildlife, they actually suck as pest control. [1]. Mostly because they tend to go after easier prey. And animals like rats merely get more careful about showing themselves in the open, which may have led to the erroneous belief that cats lower their population.
That's about the effects of feral cat populations on large urban rats. Farm mousing cats take a little training but they do hunt differently because of it. Cats are also good pest control on small-medium boats.
A good mouser will spend hours, all day if it has to, haunting a specific spot where it knows there's an animal that doesn't have another path out. It's impressive to watch.
Anecdata but feral cats can help in the sense that the rats go elsewhere. I live in an area with a thriving rat population. There used to be a feral cat colony next door to us. In those days we almost never saw signs of rat activity, but our friends at the other end of the street were inundated with them. Construction happened, the cats were removed, and now both ends of the street have roughly the same level of activity.
That people need more than food and drink, they also need entertainment? And working for that is no less valuable than farming? But how is that related to cats?
I guess cats can provide companionship, which is valuable to a nomadic society. But so can dogs, and dogs have a bunch of other benefits. Cats are more useful when mice and rats start eating your food stores, and happily that's also when humans become useful to cats
Wow I very much did NOT know where you were going with that. I thought he was tricking the prepared mice into being eaten by cats so he could take their resources.
Makes sense. Cats don’t have use for hunter-gatherer populations. Dogs do.
But when we joined into bigger and bigger agricultural based societies, cats became very handy to control pests.
I remember when I was a kid, there were these stray cats where I lived. One of them - this old scraggly looking black cat - would spend hours on the prowl, in front of a sewer right outside my parents house. When a rat came out, he would go for the kill - and for its only meal.
Even a single cat takes a while to warm up to people. My ten year old tuxedo cat is always by my side or lying on me somehow but he was quite standoffish the first few years.
My parents have a farm cat that purrs around anyone and chases them to get pets. We have no idea where he really came from he showed up quite young one day.
My neighbor had a barn cat that would come up to you and start head butting you and trying to take your food if we were eating on the deck. I'd have to periodically pick him up and take him to the other side of the house which would buy us about 10 minutes.
Another time I had summer company over and he must have sneaked in with doors opening and so forth because I found him later very comfortably situated in my bed.
It depends on the cat. My girlfriend and I have four cats between us. The youngest one was warmed up before she got here (by her choice it seems, she pounced on my girlfriend when she approached her cage in the shelter), and made herself at home within minutes.
Just like humans, cats have their own psychology and their own personalities.
I have to imagine that if a human consciousness were suddenly placed inside a cat body, the experience would rival even the deepest psychedelic experiences.
seems a bit vague to me.. not saying i know better just that i'd like more info - there a small wildcats all over europe. presumably these are older than the domestic cats? but it's well known they can be tamed from kittens, and mate with domestic cats.. why assume domestication happened once in one place?
I wouldn't have thought cats were domesticated 10,000 years ago, why is it implied that's a general assumption?
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