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Any ultra-secure messaging app will inevitably attract the drug dealers which will inevitably attract the police trying to infiltrate it.

You are much more secure blending in the vast masses using WhatsApp than on a ultra-targeted ultra-small app like SimpleX.



i don’t think that’s the right take

black markets and opposition members i’ve used / talked with focus on disposability not security

the premise of their communications is always “the platform is bugged” and in case of opposition members “the government can always just beat you and trick you into unlocking your phone”

deals happen on messenger all the time and burning messages / rotating phones and accounts is very common. for opposition members, messaging apps are purely for benign communication and actual discussion happens in person or in truly destructible formats or it’s not recorded at all

periodically anon burner message apps appear on app stores and rotate out pretty fast once they start getting too much attention

the idea of a perfectly secure app for communication is currently mostly a fantasy; if a malicious actor wants to get your info and communication they will. this doesn’t mean give up completely and be insecure but instead just be in a position to ditch the app when it becomes necessary, if you need that level of security

it’s better people be trained to understand the reality of what can be done with the communication methods they use and how they can be punked so they can make informed decisions — i’m fine with signal’s goals and efforts but i’m not a fan of signal advocates treating security and privacy like another round of the OS wars, that teaches people the wrong lesson and makes it harder to convince ppl privacy and security are a problem we need to take seriously not just for criminals but for everyone. privacy and security benefit us all or it benefits no one


The "police trying to infiltrate it" means nothing unless they can do so successfully. We know that it's vastly easier to undermine users' privacy on WhatsApp than on SimpleX.

So where exactly is that "much more security" you're touting?


There are few stories of drug smuggling gangs being caught because they used WhatsApp.

There are many about how they were caught because the used ultra-secure "phones for criminals".


SimpleX is not a phone and its model of distribution and being open-source makes it much harder to infiltrate than these projects you're hinting at.


There are already drug dealers on whatsapp


The only reason drug dealers aren't getting busted on WhatsApp is nobody cares enough. They wouldn't care either way.




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