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It is certainly a US problem.

In France people return their carts. Some carts have coins, some don't but they are vastly, vastly returned.

Coins were introduced in France in the 80s (I still remember my parents pondering about that). The reason was not really that people would not return the carts, but rather to incenive them not to take them away.

People would sometimes (not a massive trend ) ride the cart home and then hope for the best.

This has today completely disappeared but the coins are still there in most of the shops.



It’s not that big of a problem. It’s overblown online. At the grocery stores near me, I’d say 95% of carts are returned to the cart corral.


It’s all relative to your locale. When I lived in the city it was a scourge no matter the time of day, didn’t matter which part of town I would go to, some entitled persons would leave their shopping carts in random parking spaces, or in the plant beds, grass medians, etc. with an empty cart return rack mere steps away.

Living in small town rural America today, it’s just not a problem, folks simply don’t do it. The only exception to that statement is you will occasionally see a very elderly and infirm customer leaving their cart in the non-parking portions of the handicap parking. Of course you’ll also see just as many folks taking those carts with them inside. It’s a nice little balance. Perhaps coincidentally this area is very calm and very low crime.


I'm confused. Are you saying that this is a unique problem to the US and that France used to have a different unique problem, that is, in my estimation, worse? And that it was solved by requiring deposits on the carts.

And instituting the deposits worked and you seem to be suggesting that the current existence of deposits is somehow vestigial and unrelated to the continuing discouragement of stealing carts?


There is a difference between leaving the cart in a random parking lot and not returning it and to decide to just take it (stealing). The latter is a deliberate action, that involves more work, not less.


Yes and yes :)

The vast, vast majority of people here will bring their cart back, deposit or not. There are some b ok eck sheep but you will see maybe 2 carts left in a whole large parking lot (if at all). This is not a matter of deposit anymore, you can get coins at the reception desk.

So the problem of leaving the cats was not one we needed to solve.

People taking the carts - yes. It was just a small fraction, but enough for the shops to take action. They betted on there fact that 1 or 2 francs (this was before the euro) wrote be enough to deter people from yelling the carts with them. And it worked. And it pissed of the best majority that was not doing it. Today everyone is used to the system so it stayed.

I think (but this is just a personal opinion) that having the carts locked helps with their bulk transport


I assume people litter in france which is essentially the same thing: leaving ones problems for others to collect.




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