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This isn't much of an argument, Don. Just being condescending may be charming somewhere else, but here it just looks like you're being a jerk -- and a jerk without much that's relevant to add to the conversation.


Do you really believe that RMS has suddenly done a 180 and changed his core beliefs and philosophy about Apple and Macs and non-free operating systems?

Do you even know him, have you ever talked with him about free software or copyleft, have you ever even read anything he's written? Are you brand new to this whole "free software" thing, and it's a total shock to you that RMS has a long standing opinion about supporting Macs and other non-free operating systems?

It's obvious you haven't read any of the links to evidence I posted, or even anything RMS has written about the subject, but you really should do some research before jumping to such historically uninformed conclusions.

Parading your self cultivated ignorance and unwillingness to read, enumerating things you don't care about, and refusing to indicate what I wrote that you disagree with or provide any evidence to the contrary after I asked you to, just isn't a good look, and won't win any arguments that I have nothing to add to the conversation.

One more time: what evidence I gave do you disagree with, and what evidence do you have than RMS has done a 180 and abandoned his long held principles? Do you even know what those principles are?


RMS is functionally irrelevant to the experience of someone on a Mac who wants to use emacs, because -- Again! -- all you have to do is download a build and you're off to the races.

That's the end of the discussion. It doesn't matter what RMS' position is. (And yes, I know what those are -- and no, I've never spoken to him, because I tend to avoid creeps.)

emacs is free software that, once released to the world, will find its way into many places perhaps its most famous proponent would prefer it not. And this happens because his opinion is irrelevant. This has happened before. This will happen again. RMS being a sad puppy about Macs and Windows doesn't change the fact that many, many folks have productive emacs-centered computing experiences on those platforms. He can die mad about it.

You posted a shitton of material, but none of it addressed the simple fact that using emacs on a Mac is approximately as easy as using it on (e.g.) Debian. There's no real difference for most use cases.

I'm not in the habit of taking homework from gish-galloping boomers hell bent on missing the point, so I'm not going to answer any of your questions. I will, however, note that I'm far from the only person in this thread looking at you and thinking "what the hell is this guy on about?"




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