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> Trump appointing RFK due to popular demand from his base even though Trump previously never expressed any of those views.

Trump? Ivermectin Trump? Bleach Trump?



Are either of those two things anti-vax?


They're anti science and I'm also fairly sure that despite Trump hypocritically getting every COVID vaccine ASAP for himself and his family, he's been at best ambiguous about vaccines publicly (pandering to his "freedom" base) and has peddled pseudo medicine a bunch of times.


I write all of this as a fully vaccinated person who never voted for Trump…

You really need to look at the timeline here. Operation Warp Speed was a Trump program that fast tracked the Covid vaccine development and their “emergency use” approval. The vaccines were not even available to the public until 5 weeks before Biden was sworn in. VP Harris in an interview prior to the election suggested that should would be skeptical of “Trumps Vaccines” and that the American people should be as well.

When Trump was talking about those alternative treatments it was way before the vaccines were available. Those things were not necessarily “pseudoscience” at the time because scientists were actively testing many different treatment therapies because the vaccines were not yet available. Those were definitely some treatments that was being tested and experimented with by numerous doctors and scientists becuase the medical establishment was desperate for an effective treatment. Certainly the idiot Fauci had his opinions, but we now know that many of Fauci’s recommendations were utter bullshit that was not grounded in science either.

But back to your characterization of “hypocrisy”. Is it hypocrisy to simply “not force someone to get an experimental vaccine but get one yourself”? Seems to me “hypocrisy” might be better illustrated by downplaying the development of a vaccine and expressing and encouraging skepticism publicly of it just because your political opponent is associated with it? THEN…adopting that same vaccine you decried and forcing people to get it. That’s a better example of hypocrisy than just saying “I am getting it, but you do you”.


> You really need to look at the timeline here. Operation Warp Speed was a Trump program that fast tracked the Covid vaccine development and their “emergency use” approval.

After he dismantled the pandemic taskforce...


The Global Health Security and Biodefense Directorate inside the NSC was disbanded 18 months before Covid emerged. It was established by the Obama administration as a response to the Ebola outbreak. What’s your point exactly?

I know people point to that in some sort of accusatory suggestion regarding Covid, but to my knowledge no one has provided any definitive proof that the pandemic would have been better or worse for the US if that council was around in 2020. There doesn’t seem to be any evidence that the US response would have been different if it existed or the that the pandemic would have been prevented. It was re-established under Biden, but Biden’s coronavirus approach didn’t seem to be measurably better than Trump’s, in fact it was worse. They pretty much continued and doubled down on the same wrongheaded approach that Trump was doing.




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