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Depends on what you are looking for. I’ve turned half baked ideas into white papers for plenty of praise. I’ve used them to make my Jira tickets seem complicated and complete. I’ve used them to get praised for writing comprehensive documentation.

Part of my performance review is indirectly using bloat to seem sophisticated and thorough.



> comprehensive documentation

Documentation is an interesting use case. There are various kinds of documentation (reference, tutorial, architecture, etc.) and LLMs might be useful for things like

- repetitive formatting and summarization of APIs for reference

- tutorials which repeat the same information verbosely in an additive, logical sequence (though probably a human would be better)

- sample code (though human-written would probably be better)

The tasks that I expect might work well involve repetitive reformatting, repetitive expansion, and reduction.

I think they also might be useful for systems analysis, boiling down a large code base into various kinds of summaries and diagrams to describe data flow, computational structure, signaling, etc.

Still, there is probably no substitute for a Caroline Rose[1] type tech writer who carefully thinks about each API call and uses that understanding to identify design flaws.

[1] https://folklore.org/Inside_Macintosh.html?sort=date


Yes, but none of the current LLMs are even remotely useful doing that kind of work for even something moderately complex. I have a 2k LOC project that no LLM even "understands" *. They can't grasp what it is: It's a mostly react-compatible implementation of "hooks" to be used for a non-DOM application. Every code assistant thinks it's a project using React.

Any documentation they write at best re-states what is immediately obvious from the surrounding code (Useless: I need to explain why), or is some hallucination trying to pretend it's a React app.

To their credit they've slowly gotten better now that a lot of documentation already exists, but that was me doing the work for them. What I needed them to do was understand the project from existing code, then write documentation for me.

Though I guess once we're at the point AI is that good, we don't need to write any documentation anymore, since every dev can just generate it for themselves with their favorite AI and in the way they prefer to consume it.

* They'll pretend they understand by re-stating what is written in the README, then proceed to produce nonsense.


I've found "Claude 3.7 Sonnet (Thinking)" to be pretty good at moderately complex code bases, after going through the effort to get it to be thorough.

Without that effort it's a useless sycophant and is functionally extremely lazy (ie takes short cuts all the time).

Don't suppose you've tried that particular model, after getting it to be thorough?


Delivering a library with an llm to explain the api and idiomatic usage seems like an interesting use case.


I’d rather be homeless in Philadelphia than work where you work


This kind of "perf review" hacking works ~everywhere; how well it works correlates with how entrenched the organization is (i.e., how hard it is for new players to disrupt).

You don't have to play the game the same way to work there. But it helps to accept that others will play it, and manage your own expectations accordingly.


> This kind of "perf review" hacking works ~everywhere

I don't have tons of examples, but in my experience:

* This worked in toxic environments. They deserve it.

* This doesn't work in a functional environment, because they don't have those bullshit metrics.

If you have to rely on those tricks, it's time to look for another job.


Which big, well-paying companies do not have "those bullshit metrics"? I know for a fact that Meta, Google, Stripe, Airbnb, and Oracle all lean heavily on performance review cycles based entirely on ridiculous metrics. Getting ahead there requires you to play the stupid games GP is suggesting.


The original post doesn't mention anything quantitative ("metrics"). Did this get sidetracked?

> Depends on what you are looking for. I’ve turned half baked ideas into white papers for plenty of praise. I’ve used them to make my Jira tickets seem complicated and complete. I’ve used them to get praised for writing comprehensive documentation.

This is about giving people a good impression of you so they'll write strong peer feedback.


And those are all examples of companies nobody should work for


If you work there, as OP said, it's time to look for another job.


Totally, if you're willing to trade in your half-million or more annual compensation for $150k or less. My point is that it's an unfortunate game you have to play if you're working for places like that.


>Totally, if you're willing to trade in your half-million or more annual compensation for $150k or less.

I will take 60k at this point. I've been living ono half of that for almost 2 years now.

I have no idea how anyone is navigating this job market. Maybe it's just 10x worse and most people here are in the Bay area that's a tiny bit more shielded from this.

>Their number is absolutely miniscule compared to the number of big-tech jobs.

give it another year of layoffs. We'll get there.


the coolest thing "the big tech" was able to do is convince a whole bunch ridiculously smart people that they only place they can make $500k is with them. I personally (I am just one person) know more than 10 people not working for big tech making (some significantly) north of $500k as SWEs and doing awesome sh*t (unlike I would un-intelligently guess most of big tech employees)


Sure, there are some jobs that match your description, likely for people that can brand themselves "AI engineers" for a rocketship company like OpenAI. Their number is absolutely miniscule compared to the number of big-tech jobs.


Yeah, I think another problem is that TooBigTech is able to pay insanely for... what do they bring to society again? Was it social media and ads? Anyway, all that desirable stuff /s.


But it helps to accept that others will play it

Feel for you or anyone surrounded by such others but it is most definitely not everywhere - that is used to justify your presence in a place of work you should not be


Would be nice to fix the performance reviews so we don't end up in a arms race of creating bloat until it becomes so unproductive it kills the host.

Over-fitting proxy measures is one of the scourges of modernity.

The only silver lining is if it becomes so wide spread and easy it loses the value of seeming sophisticated and thorough.


> creating bloat until it becomes so unproductive it kills the host

Maybe we should let/encourage this to happen. Maybe letting bloated zombie-like organisations bloat themselves to death would thin the herd somewhat, to make space for organisations that are less “broken”.


"But at what price?" is probably the right question here, and that'd be a case by case basis thing. ;)


I am on the mind that every organization should eventually die before it becomes a monster. I am also not a huge fan of inheritance for the same reason.


All FAANG/MAGMA dying is a bonus. The cherry on top. Net positive for humanity. A best case scenario.


I fully believe you and I am saddened by the reality of your situation.

At the same time, I strive really hard to influence the environment I am in so it does not value content bloat as a unit of productivity, so hopefully there are at least some places where people can have their sanity back!


If your organisation is such that you have to do this even though you are competent for your job, then they deserve it. They lose money because they do it wrong.

If your organisation is functional and you are abusing it by doing that, then you deserve to get fired.


...thinking about it, there are probably situations where making something more verbose makes it take less effort to read. I can see how an LLM might be useful in that situation.




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