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> In our timeline, industrialisation brought forth a burst in democracy and the downfall of feudalism.

Not everywhere:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrialization_in_the_Sovie...

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

It should also be noted that the Industrial Revolution occurred in the early 1800s:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution

Democracy was already around by then:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_the_United_Kingd...

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution

I think it is more accurate to say the the presence of democracy was part of the environment that allowed industrialization to occur. It was (e.g.) UK acts of Parliament that developed canals and later railroads:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_British_canal_s...



> Democracy was already around by then

Democracy was around millennia ago. The frequency of democracy increased after industrialisation, in part due to its effects on the middle class. Britain and America’s democracies expanded because of it; Europe’s finally found purchase and, in the post-colonial era, so did other continents.

> the presence of democracy was part of the environment that allowed industrialization to occur

Probably not [1].

[1] https://acoup.blog/2022/08/26/collections-why-no-roman-indus...


> I think it is more accurate to say the the presence of democracy was part of the environment that allowed industrialization to occur.

That capitalism causes democracy is so high-level that it’s just a propaganda line. People from Marxists to neoliberals could say the same thing (meaning different things when interrogated).


> That capitalism causes democracy is so high-level that it’s just a propaganda line. People from Marxists to neoliberals could say the same thing

We have no evidence capitalism causes democracy. But every democracy on the planet emerged from a context with private property and the rule of law.


Democracy is older than political liberalism and its accompanying capitalism.


> Democracy is older than political liberalism and its accompanying capitalism

The Athenians and Romans weren’t capitalist. But they were closer to it than Marxism or neoliberalism. (They both had private property, money in elections, trade, finance, et cetera.)


> The Athenians and Romans weren’t capitalist.

False premise.

> But they were closer to it than Marxism or neoliberalism. (They both had private property, money in elections, trade, finance, et cetera.)

Just false.




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