Huh, you don't think that me giving the link to a 15 hours debate that has been organized by people in the rationalist community in order that the best arguments of each side can be made with people having real money on the line is not a good place to start ? I don't see how people may get out anything else from the above link than each "side also has some pretty valid arguments and it’s not been a slam-dunk for any" The fact that the debate was "won" (i.e. prize money attributed) is unimportant, the hours long debate where each case presents its best is.