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what do you mean they hijack the port 53? this is a local setting on your OS. they cant hijack the DNS call if you set it to something else.


the isp blocks/redirects the traffic outside my network. so if you just try to send normal udp/tcp port 53 externally, it won't get there. This is why I mention a pihole; by setting my dns server to something on my local network and then having that use DoH I can get past the block. I can't configure every device to use eg DoT or DoH directly, but I usually can configure their port 53 nameserver, directly or via DHCP

the vpn provider, it's just a split tunnel thing; since that is a local process, yes they can hijack it. Originally when we switched to our current vpn provider it didn't even let us use localhost or loopback dns, but we needed that for the way we use docker in development, so now it's just anything except those being redirected.


port 53 requests are not limited to external requests. thats what I was implying in my comment.


I configure my router to divert all UDP/53 to my pi hole. The advertising industry hates this type of behaviour, but it means ever an IoT device using hard coded dns (rather than what I tell them from my dhcp or nd settings)

This is a feature. That some people choose terrible ISPs is a trivial problem to avoid, far easier than avoiding terrible user agents which are beholden to their advertising masters.


They absolutely can and some do. The destination UDP port number of a UDP packet traversing the core network of an ISP can be inspected and acted upon as one pleases.


Unless it is tunneled over an binary obfuscation layer, and wrapped in a purposely weakened cryptography to booby-trap their parser.

There is also the global satellite uplinks... so its ultimately a pointless game to keep people ignorant, that is unless they plan to follow people around like a hot-air balloon villain from Pokemon Go. lol =3


my point is you can point a call to 53 on a machine on your own network and you isp cant do shit about that


Very well. You have pointed your DNS resolver to a host on your local network for the DNS name resolution.

When a DNS lookup request hits it, where does a UDP packet on 53 goes out to and what happens to it?


They can do anything unless constrained by cryptography. I assume it just means redirecting all port 53 traffic which 99% of time will be DNS regardless of IP.




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