> This would be a lot more compelling if you could even name this condition.
Pandremix vaccine against H1N1 influenza (swine flu).
> The link between Pandemrix and narcolepsy was identified after epidemiological studies were conducted in these countries. It was largely by chance that researchers noticed a higher incidence of narcolepsy among children and adolescents who had received the vaccine.
> The exact mechanism linking Pandemrix to narcolepsy is not fully understood, but it is suspected to involve an autoimmune response possibly triggered by the adjuvant used in the vaccine (AS03), or by some components in the vaccine itself.
> Cases of narcolepsy were reported primarily in Finland and Sweden in 2010 and 2011, about 1-2 years after the mass vaccination campaigns.
You think it can only happen with Pandemrix? It is known that mRNA vaccines cause an autoimmune response. I have also seen a massive influx of patients with newly diagnosed autoimmune disorders post-vaccination. You could call it a coincidence all you want. On top of that, Pandemrix is a vaccine is supplied in separate vials, one containing the adjuvant, and the other the inactivated virus, so it is not even as relatively new as the mRNA vaccines.
Perhaps ask family or friends around who work in healthcare, I don't know.
I would also like to add another condition, which is far more known: Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS), which is a rare autoimmune disorder that has been associated with some vaccines in rare cases.
Actually, while we are at it, there have been several instances where rare adverse events or long-term conditions were discovered years after the introduction of a vaccine.
So, apart from narcolepsy caused by Pandemrix (again, made the association by luck), and GBS which is associated with most if not all vaccinations (albeit rare), there are a couple more:
- Oral Polio Vaccine (OPV) and Vaccine-Derived Poliovirus (VDPV)
-- Type: live attenuated vaccine
-- Discovery: *years* after initial widespread use
- Rotavirus Vaccines
-- Discovery: within a year after mass vaccination but took time to confirm causation
- HPV Vaccine and POTS (Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome)
-- Discovery: concerns emerged years after widespread use
So, given our history, do you think an mRNA vaccine is completely safe and there is no way it could be associated to any conditions down on the line? To me that sounds like either denial or wishful thinking. It took years after mass vaccination with some vaccines, you simply cannot deny that, it is a fact. If you think mRNA vaccines are completely safe (which is highly doubtful, call it healthy skepticism), good for you, but do not threaten to take away people's jobs (among other things) because they care more about their life than you do. If you do care about your life, where is the skepticism given our history of some vaccines? We have never had an mRNA vaccine that we administered on a massive, global scale before.
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> The COVID vaccines did not and do not cause deaths that are recorded as COVID deaths, full stop
We literally do this in my country, and I know this because I worked in healthcare, and I have family and friends working in healthcare (doctors, nurses). It is not limited to COVID, FWIW.
So as far as "100% unsubstantiated misinformation" goes, yeah, no, I have first-hand experiences with such practices. You do not have to believe me, it makes no difference to me personally, and it seems like you already made up your mind about it.
Nothing is “completely safe”, but several orders of magnitude more people have died and suffered from COVID than have from any of the vaccines.
That you are having to reach for “well this other vaccine for this other condition caused a thing that was rare enough it took a lot of luck to link it back” is an unambiguous consequence of this. You know what we don’t have to search that hard for? The 7+ million actual deaths from COVID which reduced dramatically once the vaccine became available.
Deaths from COVID does not imply that the mRNA vaccines are not harmful and that there may be no dire consequences a year or two later because of it. It does not minimize the harmful impact of COVID either, no one (well, I surely did not) claimed this.
> rare enough
>> Studies showed that the risk of developing narcolepsy was about 5-13 times higher among those vaccinated with Pandemrix compared to the unvaccinated population, particularly in children and adolescents.
>>> The incidence rate of narcolepsy in vaccinated individuals was estimated to be about 1 in 16,000 to 1 in 50,000 doses, depending on the country and the age group.
>> In Finland, for instance, it was estimated that around 1 in 16,000 vaccinated children and adolescents developed narcolepsy.
Well, it may be "rare" in this particular case. What's not rare is the influx of people with MS (supposedly) in the country where I am located. It is OK though, no one is going to ever suspect the vaccine, we can blame everything on "long COVID", after all. That is not to say that long COVID does not exist.
Regardless of it being rare or not, it is besides the point. The point is that people should not be silenced and ridiculed and called a conspiracy theorist just because they brought up fair concerns. Those concerns do not invalidate nor minimize the harmful effects of COVID, and I feel like people think that when someone questions the safety of the vaccines, they somehow claim that COVID is all fun and sunshine. I personally never meant to claim that.
Pandremix vaccine against H1N1 influenza (swine flu).
> The link between Pandemrix and narcolepsy was identified after epidemiological studies were conducted in these countries. It was largely by chance that researchers noticed a higher incidence of narcolepsy among children and adolescents who had received the vaccine.
> The exact mechanism linking Pandemrix to narcolepsy is not fully understood, but it is suspected to involve an autoimmune response possibly triggered by the adjuvant used in the vaccine (AS03), or by some components in the vaccine itself.
> Cases of narcolepsy were reported primarily in Finland and Sweden in 2010 and 2011, about 1-2 years after the mass vaccination campaigns.
You think it can only happen with Pandemrix? It is known that mRNA vaccines cause an autoimmune response. I have also seen a massive influx of patients with newly diagnosed autoimmune disorders post-vaccination. You could call it a coincidence all you want. On top of that, Pandemrix is a vaccine is supplied in separate vials, one containing the adjuvant, and the other the inactivated virus, so it is not even as relatively new as the mRNA vaccines.
Perhaps ask family or friends around who work in healthcare, I don't know.