I don’t think I’ve ever done a 45 minute charge stop in many trips between California and faraway places including Colorado, Montana, and Texas. These are not day trips. People read stuff and just believe it without questioning. Most of my charge stops are much quicker than what you think. 10 minutes usually. Sometimes 20 or
more ahead of a long desert stretch where gas stations are also few and far between, but usually 10.
The most priceless thing though is safety for your family. I read about accidents people had in their nice 5 year old
gas cars, and it’s just sad to me that they didn’t see the options for what they were, and could have easily afforded a much safer car, but instead based their choices on bad information about supposed long charging times and supposed long lines at chargers.
I'm sorry I was with you until you started talking about safety? Gas cars are not inherently unsafe. Yes, a lot of EVs have very high crash safety ratings but I'd be willing to bet a volvo is safer overall even if tesla has managed to game some scores. I will admit that evs typically have a much lower rollover risk, but frankly stability control will not let you drive a car beyond it's limits. Even a hulking SUV is pretty hard to rollover these days.
I'm sure Volvos are safe (definitely far behind Tesla though, I've owned multiple of both) but now knowing that Volvo is a China owned company, I would never buy one for that reason, nothing to do with safety.
From what I can tell Elon is actually a good guy. I think he gets a bad rap because a lot of people believe everything they read and regurgitate it without question. They almost never provide specifics — your comment is a case in point — and if they do it’s totally trivial stuff
where he’s just being a person. We’re all imperfect; he’s just more open.
I had a bet with my partner if leaving this comment would attract Elon apologist fans and how many. Theres only one of you which means I lost 5$. Damn you.
In all seriousness I really wish SpaceX and Starlink werent associated with Musk because they are amazing. Tesla less so, Teslas are mostly a status symbol.
People absolutely provide specifics. How about the times he keeps firing people who disagree with him? Or when he sexually assaults people? Is that “just being a person”?
The first one, he has the right to fire jerks. So that’s kind of a non-issue. Happens in every company, but when he does it, it makes the news.
The second one is just a vague smear; I don’t know where you got that one but it sounds made up. Or you may be confusing him with someone else.
That’s about all people pull out. Smears, unfounded and unsourced and decontextualized accusations, stories of lawsuits filed by what seem like bad actors looking for a payday, etc., no substance.
Perhaps without meaning to, you have amplified my point.
Next youre going to tell me he engineered and designed Tesla, Falcon Heavies and Starship.
It is always the same with you Musk fanatics. Is it an appeal to authority thing because hes rich? What is it about Musk in particular that makes people of a certain bent feel the need to appear out of the woodwork and defend his honor?
But it’s the reverse of what you’re talking about. It’s what drives the baseless critics of Elon. You can see the level of emotion by their use of words like “fanatics” to describe people who dare to so much as suggest thinking for yourself.
What drives the fans? Or “fanatics” as you say? I guess just annoyance at people still channeling so much money to the likes of MBS. We should be moving past that world, not supporting companies that are doubling down on it.
Also annoyance at the Karens of the world. Live and let live. Appreciate humor. Lighten up. If you’re not onboard with helping big projects that improve things, fine, but it shouldn’t be some big unfathomable mystery why some of us do appreciate i.
Considering that I the first, second, third, …basically every result for a search of “Elon Musk sexual assault” references the incident in question, your claim that you have no idea what I’m talking about either shows that you’re playing dumb or not willing to do a single search to look up what other people are talking about. Why are you surprised when people push back on you saying he’s basically a great guy? Of course you’ll have that viewpoint if you ignore everything that points to the opposite being true or just never look at it. If you’re going to make the argument that Elon just has gamer moments or is constantly being vilified by the media I think that’s also completely false but at least it’s possible to respond to. If you’re going to go “look I don’t even know what you’re talking about” I don’t see how there’s anything more to discuss.
…alleged* incident. I had forgotten about that story since it was so thoroughly debunked right there in the article itself. But go ahead and believe anything you want, that’s your right.
> “This was a first for Autauga County,” the fire department wrote. “Electric vehicle fires are unusual and present unique challenges and dangers to firefighters.” The smoke from these types of fires contains toxic gases such as hydrogen fluoride and hydrogen chloride, officials said. The batteries can also reignite even after they blaze has been put out, the fire department added.
"I read about accidents people had in their nice 5 year old gas cars" So the question becomes why is "I've read about" a valid response and how does it stand up against "I read about how dangerous EVs are in a random article somewhere online sometime"?
Now post a link abut how often fires happen in gas vehicles versus EVs.
"I read about" is only part of my response, and the rest of my response speaks for itself. One does have to poke beyond what one reads.
Poke beyond the dramatic headlines and you see that if EV batteries ever burn, which they usually don't even in accidents, they always make the news, but they burn slowly, giving occupants ample time to get away assuming they avail themselves of the easily grasped and intuitively placed manual door releases.
Fires happen less often with EVs... but if they are 20x worse and spew worse toxic chemicals? Then how is it "better"? People get away slower but in exchange for batteries that cost tens of thousands to replace? Strip mining to get the rare earth minerals? etc.
"one has to poke" definitely... which is why the "i read" line really stands out as a limited comment which I am poking at. The notion that EVs are "better" is an interesting view considering the cost to make, the dangers and the waste left behind.
1.5 years to have spent less on gas compared to electricity is what I assume you're saying... YOU get paid back for getting a car marked down by government programs that make the car cost less than it should and in exchange you have a vehicle that will be last a lot less because the batteries can't be affordably replaced.
I question that assertion as most of the math that I've seen behind those equations gloss over the creation of "green" tech (battery creation is not green. megatons of windmill blades in landfills is not green. unrecyclable stuff, etc). It also glosses over the long tail problems (recycling, or to be more accurate the lack of).
I'm not buying that assertion because it's pointing at a tree and ignoring the forest of problems. Its a rosy glass tinted answer designed to ignore the greater conversation.
No, for pollution. You spend less than on gas on day one, and your car doesn’t stink to boot. Gas cars stink and cost more. You can get a Model 3 for less than a Corolla now.
>less on gas compared to electricity
I think you had a typo there, it is backwards.
Cars are recycled all the time. Nothing new there. If you’re thinking of batteries, one, they don’t need to be replaced for hundreds of thousands of miles, and two, it is affordable, and, for recycling of materials in batteries, JB Straubel who used to be an executive at Tesla has a startup that is solving that problem cold. A lithium battery is one of the richest sources of lithium out there; there’s no way they would not be recycled now that we have scale.
"its backwards" Probably but we both got the idea I was pushing - which I stand behind. The cost in electricity vs gas does tilt towards electricity but that excludes the cost creating and the lack of recycling options.
"recycling happens all the time" Sure for some stuff... but electronics are not in a good spot on recycling.
Batteries are expensive. Insurance is expensive. Getting materials is expensive (and destructive). Recycling electronics and batteries is expensive (and thus filling up landfills).
I'm sorry but at the end of the day? The "solution" of green tech is no solution so far. It's simply promises and ignoring the problems because gas "stinks".
"Shit is real" my above statement is real as are the problems with "green".
Agreed :) I've driven a Wrangler since I got my drivers license (nearly a decade ago) and I am just waiting for the day I am side swiped or my car rolls over due to some unforseen accident. Whether it's my fault or not. I love my car but the safety ratings are abysmal and I for one look forward to the day I have a savings high enough to afford a safe EV.
> The most priceless thing though is safety for your family. I read about accidents people had in their nice 5 year old gas cars, and it’s just sad to me that they didn’t see the options for what they were, and could have easily afforded a much safer car, but instead based their choices on bad information about supposed long charging times and supposed long lines at chargers.
Huh? On what basis do you believe EVs on the market today are safer than their ICE counterparts?
The most priceless thing though is safety for your family. I read about accidents people had in their nice 5 year old gas cars, and it’s just sad to me that they didn’t see the options for what they were, and could have easily afforded a much safer car, but instead based their choices on bad information about supposed long charging times and supposed long lines at chargers.