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You’re not in a mentoring position I’m guessing.


Mentoring usually entails teaching something, not writing the apologia for $180 disposable headphones. Do you have any particular reason why the Airpods aren't a garbage, forced iteration on the Earpods?


I didn’t say I was mentoring anyone, merely pointing out that if you think a hugely successful product is garbage, and that you state you can’t understand why it’s successful you might want to reflect on that a bit, especially in a forum such as this where many people are trying to build successful products.


Yeah, why don't you reflect on why Lightning was such a "successful" connector and get back to me on that one. I'm sure there's a lot of interesting reasons besides the profitability of a license for a serial connector.


Lightning was a small reversible connector that apple said would last 10 years, and it did. This was at the time when others were coming out with things like the usb 3.0 micro b plug.

Living through this and subsequent events has been quite amusing. Irrational apple haters at the time branded lightning a “money grab” by apple to make people buy new accessories, all while other manufacturers moved from mini to micro to usb-c in short order.

It’s been a wild ride watching this over the years. As far as I can tell, these same people also believe that apple slowed phones down to sell more. They will even post articles to “prove” this that quite clearly reference batterygate and talk about batteries. Their irrational hate cannot be reasoned with, and they will spread these falsehoods at any opportunity. In the next breath they will complain about imaginary insufferable apple fans that apparently claim that apple invented everything.

It’s been 15 years of phones but apparently all these repeat satisfied apple customers are still idiots.

I wish I was making up a strawman here, but every time you poke it blood comes out.


Well, my N+1 anecdata is that Lightning is a poor choice for most devices. For example: I own a Magic Trackpad, a Mac peripheral I use with my Linux desktop. As Mac hardware, it should connect to the Mac connector, USB-C. Curiously though, you need a Lightning-to-USB cable in order to facilitate that. Their desktop peripheral uses a mobile connector... it's almost baffling. If I didn't know any better, I'd accuse them of using their vertical control to force licensed IP down their user's throats like they do with the App Store.

Apple might as well have announced Lightning would last 20 years, for how little it evolved in the past 10 years. For the first half of it's life it was a welcome replacement to the godawful 30-pin connector, and for the last half of it's life it was a sluggish ecosystem liability. Everyone I've known who is a casual Apple customer shares the same sentiment, the only people I've known who defend Lightning are fully "bought in" anyways. Again though, just my own anecdote; reflect on that however you please =)


My anecdata is that my mother tried to charge my son’s Nintendo Switch (usb-c) by jamming in a lightning connector. She made it fit! Between that and the alt-mode compatibility and cable differences I think I’m in for a painful transition.


Well, hopefully now you can see why some countries want to standardize something as simple as power delivery and serial data.




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