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It very clearly does matter.

OJ Simpson was not found guilty of murder in a criminal setting, yet he was still a pariah.

It took years from the first public accusation for Harvey Weinstein’s case to come to trial. Was it wrong for his production company to fire him before a judge had rendered judgement?



> Was it wrong for his production company to fire him before a judge had rendered judgement?

Yes. One's support for universal rights is really tested when the accused is clearly Not A Nice Person.

Imagine of being accused of rape, even though you're totally innocent, and your employer (or your customers) suddenly dropping you. Would that be fair?


No, it wouldn't be fair. But I'm not going to get angry at something that rarely happens.

Instead I'm thinking of about all the women who'd have had to work alongside Harvey Weinstein in your hypothetical, while knowing he had abused people they themselves knew.

To make this personal: I discovered CSAM on my boss's laptop. I reported it to my employer and he was fired before he was found guilty. My boss worked with children almost every day. I don't want to imagine a world in which he would have been allowed to hang onto that job.


That's a safeguarding measure that is very specific to certain jobs. Does streaming a YT video put any woman at risk of harassment? Obviously not. Can a film producer be kept away from potential victims, with a bit of effort from the employer? Probably yes.

Working yourself up in a rage is not what one should do when discussing law. Before you know it, you'll be doing things that history will probably condemn you for later on.


> That's a safeguarding measure that is very specific to certain jobs.

Safeguarding from what exactly? If they're innocent until proven guilty, there shouldn't be any safeguarding necessary. By your earlier argument, saying "you can't work with kids anymore" is rushing to judgement.


Life is not one and zeroes. Safeguards are just insurance policies, taken out in specific circumstances to insulate from potential risk which might well never materialize. Just because a driver is insured doesn't mean he's ever crashed or going to crash.


Thats a really frustrating example because there is a lot of evidence, and over literal years- yet nobody came forward which allowed him to be a predator for decades.

How can the law help if nobody is coming forward? I do not understand.

Your argument about guilty until proven innocent still doesn't stand though.

Johnny Depp was the quintessential counter-example of this, dropped by everyone and smeared publicly by the media; until his PR team with the help of the law cleared it up (a little too well in my opinion).




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