But it's the US, it's the bastion of democracy.
Govt here doesn't put backdoors, doesn't sponsor crypto companies, doesn't target individuals and ship them to overseas camps to avoid torture laws. Wage fake wars.
Doesn't use it's intelligence agencies to interfere with other countries. Oh!
For all our faults, we're not the ccp. Bashing America doesn't undo the horrors committed by the ccp. We're talking about an authoritarian regime that is currently committing genocide. Should we really just roll over and give them unfettered access to our markets while they are incredibly hostile to our companies and where we only get access by giving away ip?
I decided to see if your "death rate" claim was accurate; but, found conflicting evidence that the mortality rates in US prisons are generally lower than the general US population, "The mortality rate of state prisoners in 2018 (319 per 100,000) was lower than the mortality rate for the entire adult U.S. population (1,110/100,000) even when adjusted for age, race or ethnicity, and sex (419/100,000) [0]." Also, mortality rates for federal prisons are lower than state prisons [1].
Could you point me to a reliable data source for Chinese prisoner mortality rates? A ~19/100,000 mortality rate would be an amazing achievement.
It sounds like you are consuming far too much anti-American and pro-Chinese propaganda.
The Chinese succeeding in their geopolitical goals is the suppression of the individual at scale. Extinguishing of the light.
Collectivism looks good on paper but ultimately is high minded and has fatal flaws which resulted in horrible outcomes whenever tried. 100 million+ dead in the 20th century.
The US generally imprisons only those people who commit serious crimes. There are likely some biases that result in imperfect application of the law. We’re working on it.
China imprisons and enslaves people simply for being members of the “wrong” ethnic group.
Please explain how these are even close to the same thing.
China doesn't "enslave" people for being from the wrong ethnic group. These claims are a fiction of Adrian Zenz. The US actually "enslaves" people from the wrong ethnic group at Guantanamo.
Can you please point out the references that are circulatory in the evidence he gave? I don't see any references that are pointing at that guy. Maybe this guy is in cahoots with Google earth too and those massive prisons visible from space are just because of this one guy you mentioned.
It's debunked by the fact you can go to Xinjiang. No need for an "expert" on the CIA payroll to annotate a map, like they did to Osama's underground cave complex.
By debunked do you call them schools with walls and armed guards instead of prisons? Are you saying the massive prisons they built in that area don't actually exist and are fake? I've seen news reports with pictures showing them as well.
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Yes, the schools don't look like the "schools" in Xinjiang. I can't tell if you're being paid or if you really believe what you say. Did the famines caused by mao not kill millions? Did tianamen square not happen?
> Did the famines caused by mao not kill millions?
A quarter of the Irish population died during their famine. Why do we let the criminals who orchestrated that purely for colonial reasons remain in power? Mao made mistakes in agricultural planning but it wasn't intentional as was the case with the British and Ireland.
> Did tianamen square not happen?
Tienanmen Square was an economic protest over inflation and material conditions. The framing of it being a democratic revolution is a post hoc fantasy by the western media.
I don't see what the Irish famine has to do with the mao's "mistakes". Trying to distract from the conversation by talking about other atrocities doesn't prove any point.
It was an economic protest by students? Did thousands die by the hands of tanks and rifles? Or was it peacefully disbanded? Why aren't you allowed to even mention it China if it was so benign? I'm guessing you aren't living there right now or else you would be too scared to mentioned it for fear of being disappeared.
Why no response about those massive schools with armed guards in Xinjiang? The government has admitted they are "reeducating" them. The buildings are obviously there and in huge numbers.
>I don't see what the Irish famine has to do with the mao's "mistakes". Trying to distract from the conversation by talking about other atrocities doesn't prove any point.
I was just responding to your non-sequitur about the great leap forward. One was a earnest policy failure. The other was imposed to maintain a colonial mercantile arrangement, which killed two orders of magnitude more on a per-capital basis.
Should we impose economic sanctions against the UK for their human rights abuses?
> It was an economic protest by students?
Yes.
> Did thousands die by the hands of tanks and rifles? Or was it peacefully disbanded? Why aren't you allowed to even mention it China if it was so benign? I'm guessing you aren't living there right now or else you would be too scared to mentioned it for fear of being disappeared.
It was widely reported on state media. You can mention it, just like the other economic protests earlier in the 1980s. It just doesn't have the cultural and historical significance that the people in Washington with lanyards, and people who consume nothing but propaganda think it has.
> Why no response about those massive schools with armed guards in Xinjiang? The government has admitted they are "reeducating" them. The buildings are obviously there and in huge numbers.
Is the existence of prisons in the US an obvious sign of a genocide against African Americans?
> Should we impose economic sanctions against the UK for their human rights abuses?
Are they doing this now? No. Is the CCP committing genocide now? Yes.
> It was widely reported on state media. You can mention it, just like the other economic protests earlier in the 1980s. It just doesn't have the cultural and historical significance that the people in Washington with lanyards, and people who consume nothing but propaganda think it has.
Can you show me some examples of discussions about tianamen square in Chinese social media to show that any conversations that don't follow the party line are allowed?
Was the "economic" protest not put down with extreme force and did thousands of people not die?
> Is the existence of prisons in the US an obvious sign of a genocide against African Americans?
You are ignoring my question that is trying to get the heart of this whole conversation, the genocide taking place in xinjiang and with some distracting question. Your government has admitted to building these as "reeducation" facilities and a large population is getting oppressed and processed through these. These facilities exist, there is a ton of evidence to support it. There are guard towers, walls, armed guards, etc. Are you asserting these prisons are empty?
