You will never get two people to agree on when web technological progress should have been frozen.

Here is an essay that essentially address this: http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html

Plus people have rose-tinted goggles. I see people saying now they're sad Flash Web sites are dead. What? Everyone hated Flash Web sites. That is like saying you miss squeegee men in New York. You might not like the means taken to get rid of them or what New York has become but nobody actually liked that experience.

Miss flash websites? I don't really see that opinion very often. Missing flash on the other hand it fairly common because it was a tool that lowered barriers to entry for animation and game development that doesn't seem to have a good replacement in the current web.

Hey, right here some people are saying they’re good. You just had to wait a bit

The ones that miss Flash websites are the ones that learned to use flash and nothing else. That was their art tool that they could use and now they have nothing. I have a friend that still complains about it.

Did you ever created a simple arcade game?

There is indead still nothing, that beats flash in this regard.

And flash games were somewhat popular with users as well.

I didn't do anything in flash since it cost money and I had none at the time. I was making games with other tools and programming languages. Played a lot of flash games too. The homepages made purely in flash was realy annoying though.

"The homepages made purely in flash was realy annoying though."

Most of them, yes. Because they were "programmed" by people not good in programming or UX design. But flash enabled even newbs to build awesome stuff - and it had powertools for the pros. The workflow I had back then, I never found again in any other tool. So it has nothing to do with not wanting to learn something new - there still isn't something alike. And that is quite sad, despite the flaws of the flash player and adobe.

(oh. and flash was for free for students and also easy to pirate)

I'm more of a programmer type, had already worked with assembler on Atari and was used to that way of working.

Flash sites were at least usable and otherwise easily disabled, unlike the JavaShit hellscape we find ourselves in today.

No they weren’t. They were much worse, weren’t accessible, and often blared music and sound effects to boot.

I think the <blink> element is where we we should freeze it!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_element

Then you will be happy to learn that modern browser vendors all decided to freeze the blink element. :-)

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“The peak of your civilization. I say ‘your civilization’ because as soon as we started thinking for you, it became our civilization, which is, of course, what this is all about.”

— Agent Smith, The Matrix, 1999

I think we can all agree that the web never got better than this. [1] It's been downhill ever since.

[1] https://archive.is/C3VTT

I thought it was going to be something fun like Hamster Dance. This is... Dark.

Needs a "This site best viewed in Netscape Navigator 3" banner and a visitors counter to be peak Internet for me.

>You will never get two people to agree on when web technological progress should have been frozen.

I am fairly sure most of us can agree with: Not yet.

What is this web technology progress you refer to?

It works because they just outsorced things like defense or healthcare.

Is easy to brag about how you don't need technology when somewhere a team of extremely sophisticated machines are deployed pointing towards the sky to save the day in case that you would be bombed. An entirely independent Amish nation would be probably eaten by their neighbors or by the market in months. More people died in the Ukranian war in a year than the whole remaining Amish population.

And their life style proven to be very fragile acting against things like Covid. They suffer also still from occasional outbreaks of Measles and Polio [1] that were eliminated in the rest of US by the use of vaccines. Living in a different century can seem idyllic, but it has a price.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-amish-idUSL2...

Yeah I see a lot of people on the right whine about "home steaders".

Well I read Lucky Luke as a kid and guess who ended up saving the settlers every single time? The cavalry. Sent by the Feds in Washington.

Is it working? Give "Amish abuse" a search in google, limiting people's access to communication can also make it hard for them to get help or to realize that they have access to other options a few miles up the road.

Oh yeah? What Web sites are they hosting?

Those were the days. Slackware in a box of floppy disks. Now where the heck is 6 of 14?

It doesn't really matter where #6 is, #4 and #8-9 are corrupt anyway.

I don't know why, but I could see this as a youtube comedy sketch.