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I can put an airtag in my suitcase and track it all over the world but railroad operators can't pit bearing temperature sensors on their tank cars full of methlamine?


If something can go out of spec 99 times out of 100 and nothing "bad" happens, you may not want a thing that makes you stop when it's out of spec.

It's not a good look, but that's often why it is done.

Same reason that militaries have strict non wartime limits on lots of their equipment, they know it can run past the norm but they also know there are risks involved, and you don't want to risk it until it's necessary.


This concept of normalization of deviance gets posted on here a lot, but I'm going to post a link again anyway.

https://sma.nasa.gov/docs/default-source/safety-messages/saf...


Exactly, it's the inverse of the boy-who-cried-wolf problem, and it's not entirely simple to solve.


Its not the inverse. Boy who cried wolf and normalization of deviance are both about false positives.


They don’t need to even do that, just occasionally send the train past a thermal camera and look for wheels that are warmer than average.


In general, this is actually done: there are defect detectors that are installed along tracks that monitor for several conditions as trains pass over/through them. Once the train has passed, a voice radio message is sent to the train crew.

Here's an example of one working: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7BGg82uQ1U

I'm not sure whether similar equipment was a factor in the East Palestine incident.


It is very odd to me that states do this very thing for trucking, but apparently do not do it for rail.


They did. It was ignored. IIRC, the exact wording from dispatch was "If it's still alerting at the next sensor it's a problem."


I'm astonished that they treat those alarms like I treated the check-engine light as a poor kid who reasoned that the car seems to still be running fine.


Thanks for the clarification.


Here's a page on several of the automatic checks that exist for railways: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defect_detector


The same reason airlines don't put airtags onto passengers suitcases: it costs a lot of money for thousands of units, plus labour and time cost - money which could be going to someones bonus (or shareholders). Also, they don't really care if your luggage gets lost, just like rail companies don't really care about this specific derailment - as long as they are making more money from the "efficiencies"


The don't want to. It increases the amount of time those cars are not hauling freight.


Nothing stops this train.

Nothing.


Sounds like the tagline for the next Hollywood blockbuster.


You kid, but the movie Unstoppable, about a runaway train, is based on a real life scenario. There are some interesting trivia details at https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0477080/trivia/?ref_=tt_ql_3.


Of course there is a movie ha ha. Thanks for that link. I guess it is part of the "Unstoppable" genre of movies huh? We have an unstoppable train, unstoppable bus, what else? An unstoppable car, truck, or plane?

[1]:https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111257/


Speed 2 has the "unstoppable" boat.


pff movie from the nineties, you kids get off my lawn

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089941/




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