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> The cognitive dissonance is wild to me

I guess writing for class has always been about the process and not the result. Nobody has ever wanted to read an essay written by a student. But, the process of writing the essay is useful; collect sources, read them, distill down the important points, join the points with sentences. ChatGPT is all about the end result. Assignments are about the process.



In my school we had a motto: "No excuses, just results." I guess we have no excuse to not produce results anymore.


sure, then why would chatGPT hinder that process? ChatGPT, will just assemble the words. You can still create a better document working along side chatGPT by critically thinking about the output it's spewing and correcting it. There is probably nuance there but I that chatGPT creating a generation of zombies is over stated. chatGPT is like a calculator used in mathematics.


And, as a former secondary math teacher, I would argue that the use of a calculator has absolutely created a generation of zombies who can't do, or understand, basic math. We're talking simple things like multiply, or figure out how many Monsters they can buy for $5, or calculate change.

If they can't do basic arithmetic, there's no way they can understand the actual concepts underlying math, or have any type of number sense (and they don't; though, granted, neither do most of their elementary school teachers). It'll be absolutely horrible if they have no idea of how to craft a coherent argument, or deeply think because ChatGPT just spews out something (and who knows if it even gives factual answers; they'll never know to check). Couple this with other issues arising from over reliance and overuse of smart phones and we're setting ourselves, and them, up for a grim future facing serious existential problems (.i. climate change)


I have a question for someone with your perspective: something I've been wondering is should we be using programming to teach the underlying concepts of basic math? Would learning the algorithms of math be a more appropriate way of conveying the theory to students?


I think there is still some algorithm-based teaching, or at least the students I taught had been taught via algorithms. The simple O(n^2) multiplication one, or long division, or adding/subtracting with carrying/borrowing. I know a lot of the perceived complaints about the 'common core' change were a push away from this, though I never had any of those students (too young, and I left teaching two years ago, at least for now). That said, I think the common core way was a better way to go about it to help kids get a number sense.

I see so many kids who don't know that, for, say, 28 + 35 you can simply rearrange this to be 30+33. They have no concept of what addition means, or how you can regroup parts. Same with breaking down multiplication and how you can do it by parts and then sum it. They have no concept of how the numbers work, basically, and I don't think algorithms would give them that sense, it'd just give them steps to compute stuff.


Assembling the words is a skill you need, which is why you're taking a class that requires it.

To some extent, you are probably thankful your elementary school teachers didn't let you use a calculator to do stuff like 2 + 2 = 4 or the multiplication tables. Doing that quickly without any tools is useful in the real world.

Similarly, you will often have to argue for your point of view in real-time; there won't be time to craft a prompt and ask the AI what it thinks. "Why should we do this your way?" "Why should we hire you?" "Why should I let you go with just a warning?" It all matters.


I used to be told I needed to learn cursive. My parents had to learn how to operate a typewriter.

All of this is just various levels of abstraction. It’s still your responsibility to manage the final outcome, which is a far distance from “assembling words.”


I don't know if this is still the case, but my GCSE maths exams back in 2000 were split into "calculators allowed" and "calculators forbidden".

It can be useful to know how to use a tool, and can also useful to know how to do similar things without that tool.




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