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Maybe join or build a company or some kind of activity to help us survive.


I’m remember the Netflix documentary Wild Wild Country in which what effectively was a cult purchased a large plot of land that had been killed by something along the lines of overuse/neglect/etc. and all sorts of people scientists/lawyers/engineers came together and basically resorted it, made it arable and wild life returned. Shame it probably couldn’t happen without the cult aspect.


I'm an undergraduate student and in no financial position to start or join a company.

This just further illustrates that a large segment of society is powerless against things like this. The headlines don't help, they just actively worsen my mental health.


If I might ask - how are you not in a position to join a company? Is getting a job not a normal thing to do when you're in a rough spot financially?

Climate.careers might be worth a look (I'm not affiliated, just keeping an eye on it myself)


Thanks for the link.


I'd look at the positive trends. Dire warnings have, in the past, often lead to improvements that prevented the worst outcomes.

Fatalism and resignation are not good nor helpful for you as an individual, nor for society as a whole (they also forestall meaningful corrective action).

The fact is that large trends have mostly pointed in the right direction over the last century or so, on a worldwide scale. (Examples: [1]-[17])

Some literature I'd look at as counterpoints:

- Steve Pinker, Enlightenment Now [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_Now]

- Matt Ridley, The Rational Optimist [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rational_Optimist]

- Hans Rosling, Factfulness: Ten Reasons We're Wrong About the World – and Why Things Are Better Than You Think [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factfulness:_Ten_Reasons_We%27...]

- Julian Simon, The State of Humanity

Note: Some of these writers and arguments are co-opted by rabid libertarians or ideologues that argue that all is well, there is nothing to worry about, and nothing needs to be done (and certainly no government regulation of business) [N1]. That is nonsense, and not a position I advocate.

There are many worrisome trends, and we have to do something about them. But, there have been predictions of doom since the dawn of mankind (see: Malthus [D1], Ehrlich [D2]), and they have not panned out, either.

Conclusion/TL;DR: Things have largely gotten better for humanity over long timeframes. There are still many problems now (inequality, climate, etc.), but if we apply ourselves, there is a good chance we can tackle them.

Footnotes

[1] Life Expectancy [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/life-expectancy?tab=chart...]

[2] HDI [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/human-development-index-e...]

[3] Child Mortality [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/child-mortality?tab=chart]

[4] Suicide rates (not improving, but not worsening) [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/suicide-rates-by-country]

[5] Air pollution [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-from-air-poll...]

[6] Polio [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-estimated-paral...]

[7] Cholera [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cholera-deaths-in-great-b...]

[8] Tuberculosis, Malaria, HIV/Aids [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/deaths-from-infections-of...]

[9] Anemia in children [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/prevalence-of-anemia-in-c...]

[10] Access to electricity [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-the-population-w...]

[11] Death from indoor air pollution [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rate-by-source-from...]

[12] Death from unsafe sanitation [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-deaths-unsafe-sanit...]

[https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-sanitation?ta...]

[13] Share of people who say they're happy [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-people-who-say-t...]

[14] Use of agricultural land per capita [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/agricultural-area-per-cap...]

[15] Forests [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/forest-area-as-share-of-l...]

[16] Famine [https://ourworldindata.org/famine-mortality-over-the-long-ru...]

[17] Child labour [https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/various-measures-of-child...] [https://ourworldindata.org/child-labor#long-run-history-of-c...]

[N1] Julian Simon himself was one of those over-optimistic libertarians. But the data he collected is still eye-opening.

[D1] Malthus: "This constant effort as constantly tends to subject the lower classes of the society to distress and to prevent any great permanent amelioration of their condition." [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Essay_on_the_Principle_of_P...]

[D2] Ehrlich, in 1968: "The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. At this late date nothing can prevent a substantial increase in the world death rate." [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Population_Bomb] But a UN report in 2010: 'the percentage of the world's population who qualify as "undernourished" has fallen by more than half, from 33 percent to about 16 percent, since Ehrlich published The Population Bomb.'

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon–Ehrlich_wager


This is basically what “communism” is. And I do think communism is the only answer for a world facing a lifetime of declining resources and productivity. Capitalism is great for a world based in perpetual growth but under long-term deflationary pressure it will deliver a worse quality of life and be more oppressive than a more collective form of government (and it must be violently oppressive to keep the mass of starving people from threatening the meager profits that will remain).

You’re already seeing this in the younger millennials and Gen Z. We’re smart enough to see what’s coming and more of us are radicalizing every day.


Unfortunately communism is horrible for individual privacy, liberty, and often life everywhere it's been tried, because humans suck.


Yeah. It just doesn't cohere with human nature. Capitalism at least manages. Communism seems like something that would happen maybe post-singularity and after scarcity is solved. And we'd be like homogenous spacefarers like the aliens depicted in our stories.


I seriously doubt governments emerging from ecological collapse will be as pleasant as one of the 20th century eastern-euro communist governments you're probably thinking of.

Surveillance today is already more all-encompassing in democracies than it was in Eastern Germany. Just wait for an emergency that scares people enough, and that becomes weaponized.

Individual rights don't last in emergencies.


If you think communism is bad, wait until you see long-term deflation under capitalism.




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