I'm not. PZ Myers was on the Atheism+ side of the schism in online Atheism in 2011 (from which my pseudonym derives), and Scott was firmly on the other side. They've been on opposite sides of the culture war since either of them became aware of it.

But even if you didn't know that ancient history, Myers is orthodox progressive, Scott is heterodox. They're natural enemies.

Funny how an anti-ideology that purports to be not a religion but rather the absence of religion would spawn so many schisms and holy wars.

Took everyone involved by surprise, but it made sense in hindsight. Half the people were there because religion was oppressive, and half were there because religion was factually wrong.

These two groups were never the same, and they got along only until it became obvious that the first group didn't care about facts and (according to the first group) that the second group didn't care about justice (I would say they do, but not if it means lying about facts).

P.Z. Myers has been a bullshit generator for several years now. Here's him on Steven Hsu:

https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2020/06/18/look-for-...

Money quote:

> I’m with Kevin Bird. Seeing the oppressive capitalist foundations of American wealth inequality getting shaken up is a good start. It’s not quite the change we saw with the fall of the Berlin Wall, though — we’re going to need to see Wall Street dethroned from its power and influence on government to be comparable.

That's a particularly polemical point, but the rest of the bullet points are clarifications on Soviet history of science, which seems substantiative.