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Cosmology is deeply disturbing if you think about it too long. Why should the universe exist? What is a causeless cause? How can something come from nothing? Regardless of the precise mechanisms involved, at some scale, some kind of steady-state cyclic model seems unavoidable --- the whole idea of existence not existing is bizarre and puzzling. The only way out of the causeless effect problem is to nop out of the effect.


That's only disturbing if you believe everything is simple enough that humans could comprehend it straight away. If you accept that some stuff is beyond our understanding, and will be for quite a while yet, everything is much less bothersome. Accept that you are fallible and the universe is fine.

I'm not saying this is easy though.


This is how I view the universe. We make attempts to interpret it and probably never will fully comprehend it. The perceived boundaries of our universe is the edge of our consciousness and what we understand as humans. As we evolve so will our understanding and interpretations.

For me it is more of a humbling feeling than disturbing.


> If you accept that some stuff is beyond our understanding

isn't that just an elaborate way to say 'give up'? I asked religious friends of mine about what god _is_, and the common answer is that it's beyond human understanding.

I don't believe that people should take things on faith, and accept that anything is beyond understanding.


To some degree, it is the willingness to "know your place" in human history. No one in ancient Greece could have discovered cosmic background radiation or observed that all galaxies exhibit redshift, which would have provided evidence for the existence of a Big Bang.

Similarly, we have limitations to what we can observe and measure. We strive to continuously make improvements, but we also need to accept that not all questions will be answered within our lifetimes, and unless civilization collapses, schoolchildren will have a more complete understanding of the nature of the universe in 300 years than we do.


isn't that just an elaborate way to say 'give up'?

Accepting that we don't understand something is a first and very necessary step to even realising there's something to understand. Believing that we have the answer (eg "God made the universe!") is exactly what shuts down scientific inquiry and makes people 'give up'. I'm saying literally the opposite of that - we have to realise there's something to out there to learn in order to try and learn it.


If we accept your logic, then believing gravity to be the answer to "why things fall" would shut down scientific inquiry?

On the contrary, it was belief in the creator that opened up scientific inquiry in the minds of Johannes Kepler etc.

That the universe was not chaotic, but created by a personal being, led them to think there must be some order to it that could be studied.


He only said it was beyond our understanding "for some unknown amount of time", or that it might end up being too complicated/incompatible with our existence.

His comment wasn't at all about giving up, honestly the exact opposite. It was about avoiding/managing the disturbed/dreadful feelings that commonly accompany the thoughts and work in this domain.


There's good reason to believe that humans can understand everything that exists: we're Turning complete, and mathematics admits no higher category of functions than those that a Turing machine can compute. We may not be able to physically compute every function, but we can devise a plan for computing any function, and isn't that tantamount to being able to understand anything in principle?


From a probabilistic point of view, we're observing with extreme selection bias: we only see the universe in which we do exist, not all the ones in which we don't, so no matter how incredibly unlikely existence is, from the perspective of existing consciousness it is guaranteed. This means it's possible for consciousness to arise from pure entropy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain.


Related question: how fast does time go in a “pure entropy” situation?

Or, maybe more useful, what happens to time as you asymptotically approach pure entropy? Does it speed up?

If so, it would make a Boltzmann brain inevitable. Or... not an inevitable brain, but an inevitable random low entropy state, right?


> what happens to time as you asymptotically approach pure entropy

Uh, maybe nothing? Depends on how you approach the pure entropy condition, and where the observer is and how it's moving compared to a clock.

Let's consider the measure of entropy in Boltzmann's relation : S = k log W or essentially that the quantity of entropy is the log relationship between the macrostate and the number of possible microstates that can represent that macrostate. A tree is a macrostate. Its individual cells, or the atoms that make those cells, or the quarks that make the nuclei, are examples of ever more micro microstates.

You are pretty low entropy because we can't take a cubic centimetre of one of your bones and swap it with a cubic centimetre around the mitral valve of your heart and expect the same macrostate to persist: you rapidly become a corpse. Empty space is "pure" entropy because we can take a cubic centimetre of vacuum and swap it with a cubic centimetre of vacuum elsewhere, and it will make absolutely no difference to the macrostate. We can swap all of the cubic centimetres of vacuum in an empty spacetime with one another, so the combinations at just that scale that produce the same empty spacetime is enormous. A black hole (assuming no-hair conjecture is true) can be represented by eleven variables, most of which vanish by a suitable choice of coordinates, leaving mass as the dominating item in the macrostate. But that mass can be all hydrogen atoms, or half as many helium atoms, or some arbitrary mix of gas and dust, but those all don't matter to the horizon that defines the black hole. The entropy of the horizon is enormous, because we can't distinguish between an isolated black hole made of nothing but atomic hydrogen to a different isolated black hole of the same mass, charge, and spin made of nothing but molecular hydrogen.

Now let's add a clock somewhere in these vast seas of entropy. How fast does it tick? It depends on who is looking! If we put it into otherwise empty expanding space, someone close to it will see it ticking faster than someone extremely far away from it. The latter, watching for long enough, will see the clock slow, dim, shrink, and ultimately vanish thanks to the metric expansion of space. The former, staying close by the clock, would see it tick at the same rate for an arbitrarily long time. But if we put it close to a black hole, what happens? The close by observer, staying close to it, will see it tick at the same rate for an arbitrarily long time. Observers at greater distance will see it ticking more slowly. If it were to fall into a very large black hole along with the close by observer, there is "no drama": the observer sees the same ticking rate upon them crossing the event horizon together. But the distant observer will see the clock slow, dim, and shrink until it vanishes. (Don't be tempted to think that a black hole is the same as an expanding universe because of this coincidence! We are definitely not inside a black hole, but we are definitely inside an expanding universe. The metrics are very different and lead to different trajectories for things moving through the respective spacetimes, even though the very different spacetimes coincidentally have boundaries that can in some circumstances produce similar observables for a clock near the boundary.)

We can complicate the picture by having the observer move relativistically with respect to the clock, especially if we introduce extreme acceleration.

So the thing about time in a relativistic context: how fast a clock ticks is observer-dependent, and in curved spacetime it's position-dependent too. It's the curvature of spacetime that makes the context relativistic; from the equivalence principle (non-gravitational) acceleration likewise makes the context relativistic.

If we lower the entropy of the vacuum by introducing things like galaxy clusters and cats, these less-entropic things generate curvature. So there are more places for a clock to slow down in a universe that has less entropy, than in a universe which has more entropy. Even in the black hole case, we can add another black hole and now there are two event horizons around which a clock will tick slowly from the perspective of a distant observer. Add more black holes, add more places where the clock could be ticking slowly for this observer. Of course, as you add more black holes, you are generating a more complicated macrostate, so entropy is dropping.

So the answer is: as a universe's entropy increases, there are fewer places for clocks to run slowly.

Even though a uniform gas has very high entropy, it still has less entropy than empty vacuum, and it is also subject to things like brownian motion and other fluctuations in density. Is a Boltzmann brain inevitable in such a gas (in the farrrrrr future of our universe, there may be a sparse gas of ultra-infrared photons with an even sparser gas of black holes and diffuse ordinary matter, and it may be uniform after a verrrry long time) ? No, but we can assign a low probability that the matter will fluctuate into a Boltzmann brain. The problem that obsesses Boltzmann brain cosmologists is that the low probability of a Boltzmann brain with false memories of having grown up in a universe like ours is enormously enormously enormously more likely than the ultra-low entropy of a hot big bang which evolves into a "real" brain with "real" memories of having grown up with cats and computers and so on, with entropy increasing as you get further from the big bang[1].

So does that mean you are a Boltzmann brain with false memories?

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[1] The early universe is almost certainly low entropy. If, when it is suuuuuper dense but with tiny variations, we swap some of it at "A" with some of it at "B", the stuff around "A" won't be dense enough to collapse into the galaxy it otherwise would have. Or maybe the stuff at "B" will suddenly be at a critical density to start collapsing gravitationally, leading to star formation and so on. The tiny variations are expected because of quantum behaviour at densities where quantum gravitation is important. Also, of course, it would be weird if the second law of thermodynamics depends on how close to the early universe you are: and that would be the case if the early universe had more entropy than the present universe (which is full of lots of nearly empty space, with a large and growing number of indistinguishable cubic centimetres between galaxy clusters).


Thank you for writing this up! It’s a little above my head, but it helped me see some signposts on the question.

Your point that the random low entropy Big Bang is a super unlikely event interests me.

I think the original thought came to me from Roger Penrose’s Big Bang theory that posits physics is scale free, and in that uniform gas state, something... happens, to allow a Big Bang.

In my (simple) mind it is akin to electron orbital collapse? Like quantum information collapse... the entropy at a certain scale becomes high enough that it Works Like low entropy at the next scale above, and that causes a Big Bang at a larger scale than we have physics for, which also basically erases this universe.

So, there are repeated big bangs but each one at a different scale.

I probably misunderstood him as much as I misunderstood you, but those are the points I am pondering. In practicality I am trying to figure out if these ideas could be used to make a video game engine.

In my current thinking, This would require some “rebalancing of registers” so maybe an as yet unknown quantum field which shifts all the registers so meters become centimeters, information is destroyed, and entropy miraculously drops?

Not sure. :)


> the whole idea of existence not existing is bizarre and puzzling

The alternative is that matter has always existed, which is equally bizarre and puzzling, though things make more sense that way.


While everyone else wonders about the nature of time. I wonder about the nature of "sense." What is "sense"? How do some things 'make' sense and others don't? Is "sense" universal? If not, why?


This is the so-called 'superultimate question', whose answer defies inquiry: "Why is there something rather than nothing?"




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