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Wow.

That's another bold claim as support for the the thesis that STEM is "natural" for kids.

Remember: natural

First, China in general is not a free society, the state enforces what it wants its citizens to do, sometimes quite brutally.

https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2018/china

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China

"Xi Jinping wields a level of social control not seen since Mao, posing a direct threat to democratic values worldwide"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/23/chines...

So using China as an example of "naturalness" of human behaviour seems at the very least wilfully ignorant.

So let's look at children and schools.

http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20150611-chinas-parent-army

"For the past year, 18-year-old Zhang Hao has been studying for 12 hours a day. He spends a minimum of nine hours in class taking practice papers, then continues to study at home. His parents worry that he sometimes crams up to 17 hours work in to a single day. "

https://www.economist.com/china/2018/08/18/china-sounds-the-...

"LIN MING, a ten-year-old who has two years left at his primary school in Beijing, does not remember the last time he returned home before 6pm on a weekday during term. As soon as school is out, his mother, Yang Mei, shuttles him around the city, dropping him off at tutoring agencies where he studies advanced maths and English grammar. Ms Yang accepts that she is “maybe putting a bit too much stress” on her son. But she has no choice. “Around 90% of my son’s classmates attend after-school lessons. It’s a competition I can’t lose.” "

"Chinese officials worry that pupils’ achievements may exact too heavy a mental and physical price"

"As long as admission to senior-high schools is based on results from the gruelling zhongkao exam, parents are likely to exploit every loophole to give their children an edge."

So, if you think that pushing kids beyond their limits with something like 16h work days in ways that negatively impacts their mental and physical health is a demonstration of "naturalness", then I just have to concede the point that this is all natural.

But then you have to also claim that schoolchildren killing themselves is also somehow "natural"

https://www.theglobalist.com/will-china-be-able-to-curb-adol...

"In the last few years, several studies have shown that adolescents and young people in China, Japan and other Asian countries have a large number of psychological problems that may lead them to commit to suicide."

"There are several causes for adolescent suicides. In many cases, suicides relate to fear of performing badly in exams."



Who said anything about anything being 'natural'?


That's the subject of the subthread:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19082026

>>Studying STEM is not natural to many kids

> That is purely a systemic problem, there's no reason that it couldn't be natural.




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