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You can get all of that in the EU via scaleway, Ionos etc. for example.

I don't know what you mean by native access to frontier models. Who has native access to these frontier models?


Theres tons of good cloud providers in the EU.

Name some. Some that match those kinds of services mentioned that people need from AWS.

If you use AWS virtual machines https://european-alternatives.eu/category/vps-virtual-privat... (some of these also do managed load balancers, managed databases)

If you use AWS for object storage: https://european-alternatives.eu/category/object-storage-pro...

If you use SES: https://european-alternatives.eu/category/transactional-emai... (but hosting your own is also a viable option)

CDNs: https://european-alternatives.eu/category/cdn-content-delive...

There isn't any single provider that can match each and every AWS service. But for subsets of services there are options.

If there's a specific AWS service that you cannot get anywhere else but do absolutely need, that's vendor lock-in. Would it be fair to blame EU companies for your bad decisions?


https://european-alternatives.eu/

Based on your comment you probably aren't gonna discuss in good faith but move the goalposts each time.


Yeah this is just circular reasoning. You don't go from zero to AWS the same way AWS didn't go from zero to what it is today. They started with a few basic features and built up from there. There are plenty of EU alternatives that have those same basic features AWS had a while ago, but until it makes economic sense to replicate all of it, no EU company is going to do so.

Whether you can switch from AWS to an EU alternative depends solely on how deep down the rabbit hole you are. If you're just looking for basics to host your stuff, you can. If you want to never have to touch Linux but to rely solely on proprietary abstractions on top of Linux, you can't.


What makes you think I'll move the goalpost - the original question was pretty clear; EU cloud providers who offer services like AWS does.

What you've linked to is a broad scope site listing a multitude of EU based products and services, making it look like you cant even list ONE let alone a few .

Don't pull the 'moving the goalpost' nonsense, the original post you replied to made it very clear they were talking about an AWS comparison, and a cursory glance at the 'cloud providers' section of that site shows a bunch of EU hosting providers offering general VPS hosting, which isn't remotely close to being the same kind of thing.


“you offer managed databases, but RDS supports x”.

I can see it coming already, no point in extending this thread


Ok let me try this, because I can assure you my intent is not to throw some sort of "gotcha" in here. I'm thinking about this purely from my own personal usecase, and right now as far as I'm aware theres no AWS alternative in the EU that can do all this for me. Nothing I am using here relies on some sort of obscure feature of each service at all.

My usecase is:

- MySQL (using Aurora but really dont need to), hands off like it is on RDS so yeah a managed service would be preferred.

- 2x VM instances with internal networking and an EFS drive connecting the two (The efs drive is critical for a ton of applications)

- Load balancer

- S3 + Cloudfront for CDN

And a few more bits I appreciate are very niche to my usecase but would be nice to keep under the same vpc:

- SQS queue workers (can switch to something redis based if needed)

- SES mail service (again can switch to another 3rd party as i doubt many people offer this)

- Lambda for some app specific background processing

Hopefully this kinda explains my position. Yes, I can split a lot of this out into multiple individual providers who specialise in just that one thing. And perhaps that's the way to go. But I dont think you can deny it's a heck of a lot more convenient to have all of it in one place.


Scaleway has all of that except EFS which should be solved another way anyway realistically, and the CDN.

Object Storage as a replacement for EFS, or CIFS if its a legacy server app, or if you hate yourself: NFS.

Theres options here, but thats the only real snag.

For the CDN, I’d go with Bunny, its not in the same suite but its actually better than AWS CDN anyway.


Combell is a popular choice on my country ( small - Belgium) because it's actively managed

scaleway, ionos, hechner, ovcloud.

They may not have every single thing that AWS has but you can build solid infrastructure on top of those.


What is going on in this page haha

> The thing with Zoom, Meets, Teams, etc. is that these aren't that hard to replicate. There is not much of a technical moat.

I disagree


A massive proportion of the modern extremist violence around the world I've seen has been Islam. Not all Islam is bad but there's elements like Jihad, and Sharia law, that other religions don't seem to have in modern times.

Our federal deficit interest rate is like 15% of government expenditures.

The dollar being the reserve currency which leads to demand for the dollar keeps the dollar from deflating.

But as people no longer demand the dollar because they don't want to support a imperialistic government what happens?


The US would no longer be able to export the cost of its spending on other countries which is the so called 'extraordinary privilege' of running the world's reserve currency and the US population would feel the consequences of its out of control spending.

Which is to say, that is a fairly traditional way of how empires go the way of the dodo. First losing their financial dominance, which loses them their international power, which then causes internal rupture.


> Work in Gas Town can be chaotic and sloppy, which is how it got its name. Some bugs get fixed 2 or 3 times, and someone has to pick the winner. Other fixes get lost. Designs go missing and need to be redone. It doesn’t matter, because you are churning forward relentlessly on huge, huge piles of work, which Gas Town is both generating and consuming. You might not be 100% efficient, but you are flying.

This is hilarious and insane and amazing.


I believe the fed replaced the gold standard.


No it did not. I don't know why people repeat this so often but it is very frustrating. Nixon unilaterally ended the gold standard because the US was printing money to pay for Vietnam and the rest of the world called the US on its bullshit. The end of the gold standard is relatively recent in history and the verdict is still out on the impact.


The post-World War II Bretton Woods system was a limited form of the pre 1920s depression gold standard.

Both the silver standard and bimetallism have been more common than the gold standard.

Tying complex multi faceted economies to the physical abundance of specific raw materials fails to capture the full value of activities and assets.

The true gold standard was a blip from the 1870s to the early 1920s.


I think your observation assumes that inflating the value of gold relative to the rest of economy is a problem - if you do not care about that I'm not sure it matters.

In any case gold served as a strong check on monetary policy even if it had problems. Certainly it is possible to have a "sound" monetary policy without gold. I'm just not convinced in societies ability to affect sound governance of monetary policy without some "stronger" guard rails. Especially not in today's climate.


>I don't know why people repeat this so often but it is very frustrating.

The Ron Paul fandom spread this myth around incessantly during the late 2000s.


Monero up around 20% today.


Windows 11 and its roadmap are really bad.


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