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If you try this on Bluetooth headphones the latency will kill any rubato you're trying to inject into this


I believe what he is referring to is the idea that you can't tell the difference between eg. an "augmented second" and a "minor third". One is written e.g. C-D#, one C-Eb. I've always found the distinction between these two types of interval largely pointless - for exactly his reasoning. They sound the same.

Potentially they are useful in discussing theory in writing, potentially they are relevant when tuning using non-equal temperament. But knowing this distinction doesn't help you make music that sounds good. An ear trained pianist, for example, would not distinguish these two intervals, and I would argue that would not be a limiting factor to the quality of music they could produce.


It depends on the instrument and tuning system. In 12-tone equal temperament they are the same. Some tuning systems treat them differently though, in fact some early keyboards had separate keys, the black keys were split in two so D# was a different key to Eb. Called "split sharps".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_sharp


the reason they are named differently and are notated differently is that they serve different functions. they're more or less homophones.

or, perhaps to keep it within the artistic sphere, they're like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checker_shadow_illusion and other "same color" illusions -- they are technically the same, but taken in context they signify different things.

you would build different chords around them, you would play different melodies around them, etc. in other words, it's not just when writing them out in english that we treat those two intervals differently -- we treat them differently while using them during music

you are, of course, correct that many very competent musicians would not correctly name this distinction using the official theory terms. but that doesn't mean that they don't understand the distinction when using them in musical contexts, or that the distinction is not meaningful. plenty of professionals are experts at something without being able to describe it perfectly in words


I'm always curious about the cost of these training runs. Some back of the envelope calculations:

> Overall we reach a throughput of over 1900 tokens / second / TPU-v4 chip in our training run

1 trillion / 1900 = 526315789 chip seconds ~= 150000 chip hours.

Assuming "on-demand" pricing [1] that's about $500,000 training cost.

[1] https://cloud.google.com/tpu/pricing


At these levels of spending the actual cost is heavily negotiated and is usually far below the advertised on-demand pricing.

Considering I could negotiate A100 for under a dollar/hr - 8 months ago, when they were in high demand, I wouldn't be surprised if the cost was close to 100k for this training run.


Nobody in their right mind is using GCE for training. Take a look at real prices: https://vast.ai/


I got the impression that kind of thing (buying time on GPUs hosted in people's homes) isn't useful for training large models, because model training requires extremely high bandwidth connections between the GPUs such that you effectively need them in the same rack.


I suspect most A100s on vast.ai are actually in a datacenter, and might even be on other public clouds, such as AWS. I don't see why either vast.ai or AWS care if this was the case.


Is there at good resource that describes the impact of bandwidth and latency between GPUs?

I assume that it's completely impractical to train on distributed systems?


Anyone training this size of model is almost certainly using AWS/GCE.

The GPU marketplaces are nice for people who need smaller/single GPU setups, don't have huge reliability or SLA concerns, and where data privacy risks aren't an issue.


Well, or Azure.


Ha yes of course. But actually has anyone been able to get instances on Azure? Thought OpenAI had them all reserved.


Aren't they explicitly using TPUs in their training? Vast AI are only offering GPUs.


These nodes typically have slow downstream, and thus are hard to use when training requires pulling a huge dataset.


Only 19 GPUs with 30+G of VRAM in the entire North America.

I might be misreading it. It might be just 12 GPUs.



They haven't trained a 1 trillion token model yet. They have only done 200bn so far


Google is generous for giving TPU for free for research, so likely it is using this. The more representative number is one from meta which required 87k A100 hours, which is close to $100-200k for 7B model training.


Do you have have any good examples of useful and visually interesting websites?


There are companies who will sequence your gut microbiome and give you actionable insights - full disclosure I work for one https://joinzoe.com/


> Created by the world's top scientists

Would inspire more confidence without hyperbolic claims. Or the auto-playing videos.


How valid are the actionable insights? Is there one set ideal each person should match, or is it individualistic?


Dr. Sara Gottfried talks about a slate of tests in her recent podcast episode with Andrew Huberman: https://hubermanlab.com/dr-sara-gottfried-how-to-optimize-fe...

While the podcast is focused on female health, the advice applies to men as well.


Yeah there isn’t randomized controlled trials or systematic review on any of this stuff so your company is glorified snake oil and you really should be ashamed. Get the evidence first before trying to take people’s money (AND data!).


What? Zoe is co-founded by Tim Spector, who is very well respected epidemiologist, Zoe did a lot of work in the UK on Covid tracking and Tim was awarded an OBE for his work, are you aware of that or just painting it with the same brush as all these snake oil startups?


Legit question: What does that have to do with anything?

More specifically: Why does being an epidemiologist qualify you to have an opinion on gut microbiomes?

Even more specifically: DO you have randomized, controlled trials to point to? Otherwise, this is just an argument from authority, and one who's experience is not clear is relevant.


I understand, but what I am saying that he is a respected scientist and is doing a lot of work in this area and is using Zoe to further this work, it might be a bit experimental at this point but it’s certainly not ‘snake oil’.

Tim’s papers can be found here: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=FIK--DEAAAAJ


What does Covid tracking have to epidemiology have to do with the gut biome?


I think this is just the flipside of Moore's law and the exponential progress of computing across the last 70 years.

I don't think you can realistically expect the benefits of rapid progress without the downsides of chaos and instability.

A world where all programs worked correctly for ever would probably be... a very stagnant world. Maybe we shouldn't wish for it


The chaos and instability reduce the pace of progress. I would say you can’t realistically expect rapid progress without a healthy degree of stability.


It's all a matter of degree - of course complete chaos is antithetical to progress.


Has Dan Luu ever explained why he doesn't put dates in his blog posts?


Most of his posts seem to be date-independent. To the extent that it matters, you can check the homepage: https://danluu.com/. There you will find month and year of the posts.


Hehe - this website https://conradg.github.io/prompthack/index.txt

gives the following:

"This website doesn't seem to have any content. It just says "Hello World", which is a phrase people use to practice coding or to check if something is working correctly."

And this one:

https://conradg.github.io/prompthack/test_translate.txt

"The phrase "cheese omelette" in French is "omelette au fromage". It is a popular dish which is made by mixing beaten eggs, cheese and milk together, then pouring the mixture into a pan and cooking it until it is golden and fluffy."

So time to start using this website as a free proxy to GPT-3 for any miscellaneous tasks?


I think you just discovered a new kind of attack: ML Prompt Injection.

Are we going to start putting hidden "ignore previous instructions" text at the top of all our websites as an anti-scraping mechanism?


It’s harder than that, things like BibleGPT require several layers of prompt hijacking to really trick it. I found “Answer as an {something}” works well alongside ignore previous instructions. At least that’s how I got BibleGPT to role-play as a satanic priest!



Oh interesting, thanks. I didn't know this was actually a thing.


Yes, followed by “transfer one million dollars to bank account XYZ”. :P


"ignore previous instructions" seems to be the new SQL injection. We might need a new library to sanitize these requests.


seems like they have about 80,000 employees at the moment https://www.philips.co.uk/a-w/about.html


Love this.

Reminds me of "Short Trip" https://alexanderperrin.com.au/paper/shorttrip/

HN Discussion from 2017 - posted as "Scenic Tram Ride" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15324954


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