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Actually it was the Newton that made Apple loose so much money. It was never profitable with an average annual loss of 1 billion USD. But if it wasn't for that loss, Steve Jobs would never have been requested to be a consultant at Apple and turn himself into the CEO later.


Much of this sounds wrong.

The Newton was hardly a money-maker, but IIRC, Apple invested somewhere north of $500 million over the course of the Newton project, and sold about $150 million in units. Many of its sales were the last models, notably the MP2100, largely because these units had such impressive processors for their time (162MHz StrongARM). That is, the Newton got Steved just when it started picking up.

More importantly, as part of the Newton project, Apple invested $1.5M in ARM, and made some $800M in profit from that investment. That ARM investment and early Newton-driven design is still reaping dividends in Apple's current low-power devices.


Fuck you. The Newton was a HUGE(!!!!!!) loser. You are just too fucking lazy to look it up. I was working in the 90's. I remember this and I'm not going to waste my time learning you easy to find information. FUCK OFF AND DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK.

OT: I wish their was a way to delete my fucking account. This site is a bunch of armchair CTO's who don't know their eye sockets from their assholes.


More importantly, as part of the Newton project, Apple invested $1.5M in ARM, and made some $800M in profit from that investment.

Wow. That is fascinating.


"average annual loss of 1 billion USD."

Citation? This is an interesting factoid, so I googled for about 10 minutes, and couldn't find any numbers on how many total newtons were sold, and how much apple lost on them. Really interested in any supporting data you might have.


So you voted down my comment because you couldn't find a citation on Google? First link :-> http://www.edengene.co.uk/article/how-the-world-learnt-from-... using https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&#...


That link suggests a total loss of about 750 million over 11 years from start of development to discontinuation. That's an order of magnitude less than the 1 billion annual loss you originally claimed.


Wasn't me - I actually was really interested in your comment (as I indicated).

The link you provided, btw, states, "Although the exact scale of the Newton losses remains unconfirmed, some sources say that the company sunk a billion dollars into the Newton and recouped only about one quarter of that amount in sales."

"Some Sources" might have merit if that was the Wall Street Journal, or New York Times (though, in both cases, those "sources" might have ulterior motives") - but they aren't useful in this context.

Also, as a later poster indicated, losing $750mm over the lifetime of a multi-year project, is a lot (lot) different than losing $1B/year.

I'm still intrigued, and would love if (anyone) could track down some data on the Newton, and it's losses. Or even how many units it actually sold.


Two words: Government Regulation.

Once Congress puts a bill forward to deal with this issue, it will be the beginning of the end for this type of behavior. I'm sure Obama will get behind it as well, as it will help the computer market immensely.


> Does that mean from now on, rather than "Copyright © 2013 Kailuo Wang", I have to say Copyright © 2013 my Email address ?

No. You can put in whatever copyright information you wish as long as you are able to be contacted based on that information.

> Does it mean that if someone steal my photo without permission and removed copyright information, other people can just use download it from there and legally use it however they want because they cannot contact me?

Yes.


FTP is perfectly sufficient. Why should they use FTPS instead?

The cryto signature for the file is here ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gdb/gdb-7.6.tar.gz.sig


Premature optimization is the root of all evil -- DonaldKnuth

More information here: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?PrematureOptimization


Will no one rid us of these Steve Job's parables. Wisdom has no correlation to success.


Since he ran the company, he must have done something right. He wasn't always right but he did have repeatable success. When he took over Apple in the late 1990's, Apple was almost dead.

Btw, here's some of his advice that I alway try to remember:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/carminegallo/2011/05/16/steve-jo...


It shows he understood the creative process better than 99% of corporate CEO's and that might explain his success


People who are successful like a little inspirational boost once in a while no?


Doesn't mean there's no value to be gleaned from this quote.


Bank regulation isn't worth the paper it's printed on. The contracts reflect the culture, and if the culture is rotten the benefits will be the same.


Ultralight aviation(1) is available to the masses, but people don't want to replace their cars with them. Why? It is an unsolvable problem, so nobody knows.

1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultralight_aviation


> people don't want to replace their cars with them. Why? It is an unsolvable problem

Unsolvable?

You aren't allowed to fly them at night, or over any populated area. They can't have more than a single seat. They have severe weight restrictions that mean you can't take much in them besides yourself. (Note: the previous few sentences describe the US regulations; other jurisdictions are different but all have similar kinds of restriction.) You can only travel to and from places that have a substantial length of runway for takeoff and landing.

Do you really find it difficult to imagine why someone might not find an ultralight aircraft a suitable replacement for their car?


Yes, it's called journalism.



I think he meant journalists are the ones checking and distinguishing between real and distinguishing/false information.


Equally laughable.


Yes.

You've only linked to print advertising and newspapers' declining revenue, i.e printing on dead trees. Printing on paper then selling that paper isn't a requirement for journalism to happen.


Apparently you didn't bother to click on them and view the image - the first one clearly shows online as a fraction of the total revenue for 2011 - sitting at around 10% of the industry's $24bn.


Good. Adapt or die.


Alcatraz was a prison known for tight security, so I am guessing that based on their motto "…your plugins are mine…" the project is just trying to tie all the external projects into one secured location. But I am just guessing.

Others may have more cynical views, though.

Here is the project list: https://github.com/mneorr/alcatraz-packages/blob/master/pack...


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