Here is some basic concept you may need to understand: The language (Both in natural and programming) choice of a project is usually depends on the interests of the main contributors. The main contributors will select the one that is best for them, and make improvement base on that.
Since the project is mainly done by Tencent, a Chinese company, it just make since for the project to use Chinese. I see no point for their team members to communicate with one and other by writing documents in a second language everyday.
Also, they've provided English document if you want to read, and the document is not bad. If you don't like the document, then send them some PR.
> Since the project is mainly done by Tencent, a Chinese company, it just make since for the project to use Chinese. I see no point for their team members to communicate with one and other by writing documents in a second language everyday.
The point being, if it is accepted by the Linux Foundation, we should be expecting documentation in English. Otherwise it is fine for maintainers to use whatever language they feel is good for them to use.
> LF has no mandate to dictate any specific language to projects.
Maybe it doesn't, maybe it does. Maybe it should and maybe Tencent is creating precedents. Plenty of questions. All I see is: Linux Foundation is based in San Francisco, key people are all perfectly well speaking English and LF should do anything what is possible to make the projects accessible globally, using a lingua franca of technology.
> China has always had double standards. They make it hell for U.S companies to do business there
Here we go. "CCP is bad and China is bad, so every Chinese is bad". This kind of logic is not very healthy, it just like saying "Google(Or insert any company here) is bad, let's punish their employees", it will hurt those employees (way) more than it hurt Google.
Put the story into context, if Chinese engineers cannot find a job oversea, they will probably go back to China and contribute to a Chinese company that operate under CCP's rule. Will that be a good thing for you eventually?
I bet CCP is also counting on the rising nationalism in the US as well, to drive Chinese engineers back home with their valuable knowledge.
> I bet CCP is also counting on the rising nationalism in the US as well, to drive Chinese engineers back home
OP even mentioned that moves restricting hiring in China from US will help their Chinese based company.
> CCP is bad and China is bad, so every Chinese is bad
This is a very unfair summarization of the parent comment. They never implied that conclusion. Yes, the CCP is bad; And they control China and the Chinese people. But that does not say anything about the people themselves other then they are subject to the communist rules. It is a resistance to the CCP privacy practices that brings this change.
> China has embraced the technical aspects of Western society but it looks dangerously like it will carry them with an authoritarian philosophy.
How about tweak the thinking a bit: What's in there for China to totally embraced democracy? Will it become an advantage for the country (Or the leading elites at least), guaranteed? What if the change has failed and lead to something worse?
There are risk factors, and people don't like to take risks. Which is why societal changes are more likely to occur during crisis and disasters, because people simply have nothing to lose anymore.
For CCP, the "Take half the cake" approach is less risky for them, so they did that, and now everybody see what's happened after.
Is your argument that adopting democracy and the rule of law are risky to elites and the ruling party? Well, yeah - that’s sort of self-evidently true.
> How about tweak the thinking a bit: What's in there for China to totally embraced democracy?
Tweak your thinking a bit: the advantage would ultimately be to the anonymous Chinese citizen 50 years from now who wants to vote, express an opinion, join a social group, participate in a religion, petition their government for redress, etc.
> Is your argument that adopting democracy and the rule of law are risky to elites and the ruling party?
No, just trying to explain why China does not go all-in and jump to the democracy train.
CCP apparently don't want to build something (Institution of democracy for example) that will later overthrow them (too risky, even maybe there is something good in it), and elites are bounded with CCP (That's why many of them are allowed to be elites). For CCP, "Without the CCP, There Would Be No New China"[0] is still the safest approach to any domestic problems.
Also, the westerners did not bring democracy into China, so Chinese people are not necessarily benefited from the western democracy. No benefit, no motive.
I'm not a South Park fan, but that ban got my interested so I watched the episode (Yeah, that episode is banned in China and few "reposter"s has been warned for posting South Park related contents).
Few days ago, a guy been sent to jail for 7 days because he was complaining the National Day military parade, saying something like "A civilized nation turn machine into soldier; a rouge nation turn soldier into machine". And he's not the only one been sent to jail for similar reason.
This country is not taking any critic any more. Cultural Revolution 2.0 Global Edition anybody?
I understand what you're saying. Some of the other commenters are being inconsiderate. It's dangerous when a nation loses the ability to criticize its government.
Yes, it is dangerous. It's also an increasing trend in a few Western countries where vocal disagreement or criticism is labelled as treasonous or "they want to destroy our country". It's a really short walk from there to a truly awful society.
The point is: This country is not taking any critic any more. And, that's one of the reasons why the Cultural Revolution is ended horribly. Which is why this should raise some concern at least for Chinese people.
Sometime I just somehow prioritized to send message out when I should be making a better statement. Which already caused multiple misunderstandings on HN alone. I should definitely try not to do that anymore.
Your English is fine. You could work a little on plurals vs singular forms of nouns if you want to present yourself as a native speaker. But your post was very understandable.
I know an online forum if that counts, https://pincong.rocks (Chinese, Browse with Tor) they're pretty anti-CCP in my opinion, and the only one I know of.
I don't agreed with many of their posts, but if you want to waste your time in the chaotic Chinese political small talks, then maybe that's one place to look at. Also, keep in mind that you reading small talks there, so take everything with a grain of salt.
I personally acquire most of the information on Twitter. I followed many people who working in the IT or related fields, and sometime they retweet political related stuff (As joke or mock mostly). This is how I know about that South Park episode.
Hate to say it but it's already happening and getting more clear day by day. I start to suspect all of this is intentional, including all of those trade war "failures".
You have a threat (The trade war with USA, well and maybe South China sea etc) and a slowing economy. Now many Chinese companies are in need of help from the CCP government, and the help is not for free.
In Zhejiang, their government want to send "Government representatives" to private firms[0] to "help" them on site. I will not be in total surprise if one day all of those companies turn themselves to "State controlled".
Maybe not the right time and place to being this up, but I personally believe that such illegal activities conducted by the U.S. is hurting people of other nations who is fighting for their own democracy.
Just imagine China start to playing news such like this in those concentration camps, free golden material for showing people how rightful it is to follow the lead of CCP I'd say.
While it is true the U.S. is benefiting from it's strong global influence, but it is also true that nobody wants to be threatened. If the U.S. don't want to be the good guy in this game, at least don't be the bad one.
Cross - Say "Sorry, we will not do it again and we will fix our wrong doings";
️Check - Hire PR firm spreading bad propaganda to "address negative perceptions in key markets overseas to maintain confidence in Hong Kong"
Why???? It's the best time to show that Hong Kong is a democratic & lawful place by resolve the issue peacefully and make their people happy. It's a opportunity for the government if they play this right, don't blow it up!
You know something is good when it has to be recommended twice in one comment.
I like to add one point here: Mesh network is not only good for protest, it also useful when network is unstable, for example during bad weather, disastrous event etc. Let's don't forget mesh net can also be use to off-load some of the traffic from the "Normal network", plus good for privacy (If the network is built on top a verified open source structure).
I don't think it's a good idea of advertising a type of tech "good for protest/revolution/revolt/something like that". If you do that, the tech will never be adopted.
One question: During the time which Facebook Messenger and Google Hangout are both using XMPP, is it possible for a Google Hangout user to send message to a Facebook Messenger user via Google Hangout client?
I forget where I read it now but if memory serves that was part of the reason why Google Talk xmpp federation was turned off because Facebook was importing Google Talk users but then not also sharing the xmpp federation so in order to stop bleeding users, Google Talk turned off their xmpp federation.
Hmm, I don't remember, but I doubt it. The point of FB Messenger using XMPP was that you could add your FB account to your XMPP client and chat with your friends from there
My current account was not created to post political dumps, but the atmosphere is changed upside down so much, it's really hard to just walk around it while still keep a peace of mind.
Can I ask for an account deletion and removal of all posted content? Thanks!
> Can I ask for an account deletion and removal of all posted content? Thanks!
I asked for that once and was refused with the reasoning:
> I’m sorry to disappoint, but Hacker News doesn’t delete entire accounts because that would gut the threads it participated in. We do sometimes remove specific comments if users are worried they’ll get in trouble, and we’re also working on the ability to rename accounts. Would either of those help?
If you are European, this seems fundamentally incompatible with the requirements of the GDPR, unless they have a better basis for processing than consent (which I doubt for a site like Hacker News).
There is a better basis, one that covers even sensitive data under Article 9. Specifically, the processing is lawful when "processing relates to personal data which are manifestly made public by the data subject" [1], as is the case here.
Well, then they can remove comments that doesn't receive any reply. Do they?
If the least thing they could do is renaming, then please rename my account to `chairmanmao`, so it won't contain my name anymore. I will ditch this account after everything is done.
Since the project is mainly done by Tencent, a Chinese company, it just make since for the project to use Chinese. I see no point for their team members to communicate with one and other by writing documents in a second language everyday.
Also, they've provided English document if you want to read, and the document is not bad. If you don't like the document, then send them some PR.