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I very much doubt the Trump administrations cares about Uighur Muslims any more than the CCP. Also funny how they need to wait until Trump's last day in office before lobbying any real criticism.


That's how you know they really care about this: They could do anything and are choosing to do this.


Alternatively, the only reason they're doing this now is because they no longer are the ones who have to deal with the fallout from it.

I think most people on the planet realize at this point China is bad, there's also a reason they mostly keep their mouths shut and continue to deal with them.


Terrible oversimplification. It's extremely difficult to determine what negative action is motivated by racism and which isn't.

If you're not generally at risk of experiencing racism (ie. you are of the majority ethnic group), of course it is easy to rule out. It's hardly a glass half empty/half full type of problem.


I think you've interpreted your parent post a little harshly.

These statements from your comment and the parent comment to seem to mean essentially the same thing.

> All that can be perceived as racist is not necessarily so

> It's extremely difficult to determine what negative action is motivated by racism and which isn't

The difference is how likely you are to assume possible racism is actual racism. The "glass half full/empty" metaphor expresses that difference quite well.


> The difference is how likely you are to assume possible racism is actual racism. The "glass half full/empty" metaphor expresses that difference quite well.

I addressed this quite clearly:

If you're not generally at risk of experiencing racism (ie. you are of the majority ethnic group), of course it is easy to rule out. It's hardly a glass half empty/half full type of problem.

A glass half empty/half full metaphor implies that the perception is simply down to personal optimism, which as I said, is clearly a gross oversimplification.


I am not questioning the clarity of your expression, but your narrow interpretation of the metaphor. It does not imply that judgements about racism are purely a matter of optimism or pessimism. It already incorporates the fact a person's influences cause them to make those judgements.

Of course someone who is at risk of experiencing racism is more likely to judge an act to be racist, but that doesn't make them right. In fact, they may be more likely to attribute innocent acts to racism, just as someone who rarely experiences racism is likely to make the opposite judgement more often than is justified.

My point is that we are arguing about something that was already expressed by the parent under what I believe to be a more generous interpretation of their use of that metaphor.


This conversation really isn't productive.


Agreed.


He has to attack the person because opposing the idea of people making a living wage makes you look like a callous idiot.


This says more about the label than the opposition.

The "living wage" bakes in a variety of assumptions. First of all is the assumption that people shouldn't work if they're not out to earn a full-time living from that work. This view is typical of posh Americans who went to nice universities, had snazzy internships, and are now happily working full time.

It gleefully ignores those who need to start lower, and get entry level experience. Indeed, it is actively hostile to entire classes of people working.

A retiree who wants a little extra money. A high school kid from some gang-afflicted neighborhood, one who isn't going to college, but could benefit some low-key job in a restaurant, one that would keep him out of trouble, and get him a start for when he graduates. An ex-convict who's just spent five years in prison under one of Biden's drug laws, who could use a steady job to show his next employer he's hard working and didn't steal from work. An immigrant with marginal English language skills. That one girl I knew in school whose entire family was afflicted by a serious case of lead poisoning.

Now there's sure to be some sort of whining to the effect that some of these people need to be supported directly, but suppose they are -- why would that deny them the right to work?

Of course the cynical part of the political apparatus has absolutely no use for these people, since they don't vote, they don't campaign, they compete with the labor unions, and they're not always interested in sitting around and doing nothing on the government dime. They're useless in the revolution.

Oh, and of course the other thing! is that it helps draw attention away from the other big problem: a broken housing policy that has produced sky-high rents in so many major cities. Why fix that problem when you can make a new set of problems instead? One is hard work, and the other earns you praise as compassionate.


The point that you're ignoring is that most people working these "entry-level" jobs in fact DO depend on them to cover their living expenses.

What you're suggesting is to set those people in a race to the bottom along with the high school kid and retiree looking for "a little extra money". The point of setting a living wage is to set a bare minimum standard for employment.

You'd also find that the same politicians pushing a for a minimum wage are the ones trying to address broken housing policies, but you'd have to do research instead of just complaining.


No, that point that you're ignoring in pointing that out is that if they don't depend on these jobs then they're entirely unemployed. Chopping off the bottom of the labor market benefits a few people, yes, it just throws others who are less valuable to your political party into the abyss.

> You'd also find that the same politicians pushing a for a minimum wage are the ones trying to address broken housing policies.

Maybe, but not in New York and not in San Francisco. It's all "restrict the supply of housing" as if the laws of supply and demand are made up — indeed, they will deny supply and demand the same way a Koch-funded lobbyist tells you we should save the planet by burning more coal.


> No, that point that you're ignoring in pointing that out is that if they don't depend on these jobs then they're entirely unemployed.

Those jobs don't disappear just because you mandate a living wage.


No, all jobs don't disappear. Some, however, do. Some are no longer profitable, more are replaced by capital investments. Economics denialism is quite strong in your circles, as I noted.

It's even more of a pity because we should be investing capital in meaningful things, like biotech or space exploration or environmental progress or what-have-you, instead of on stupid things like robots and restaurant apps.


> No, all jobs don't disappear. Some, however, do. Some are no longer profitable, more are replaced by capital investments. Economics denialism is quite strong in your circles, as I noted.

Ok, now we're getting to the root of the problem. This is argument is based off of your misunderstanding of economics. What you're missing here is this:

- Jobs are a function of demand.

- Demand is driven by consumers.

- Consumers need capital to drive demand

- The poor spend proportionately to their income much more than the wealthy.

That's the circle you need to be thinking about when you're asking yourself what the impact will be on jobs. The more you drive down living standards of the poor and middle class, the fewer jobs you will have, not the other way around.


> This is argument is based off of your misunderstanding of economics

Your superior "understanding" of economics is at odds with academic consensus and with reality.

> Consumers need capital to drive demand

Replacing five McDonalds cashiers with two cashiers, an app, and a touchscreen ordering kiosk doesn't "drive demand".


> Your superior "understanding" of economics is at odds with academic consensus and with reality.

And yet, you have no counterargument.


the marginal cost of supplying argument has exceeded the marginal benefit (zero)


and the supplier is bankrupt.


"The free market will fix it!" - If we're assuming invoking the Defence Production Act wouldn't work because the machines are too complex to prepare in time, why on earth do you believe the free market would succeed?


Sounds like maybe you should take the hint. It's not "taking sides" to point out that you're glorifying violence if you as the president are threatening to deploy military force against protestors.


I've done my own share of protesting (living in Eastern Europe forces you to do that sometimes) and we never resorted to looting. If we had done so I would have expected the powers that be to take some counter-measures that would have involved more than strong verbal reprimands, yes.


If by 'we' you're referring to the entirety of Eastern Europe, Russia has a well known history of employing agent provocateurs in order to affect protests or other movements. This isn't isolated to just Eastern Europe either, considering Italy has a history of this as well.

Needless to say there's also been some reporting and concerns of provocateurs among the protesters here as well using it as an excuse to inflame riots or start looting.


I live in Romania, not Russia, and you're correct, the powers that we protested against also employed agent provocateurs. They were easy to spot though (youngish, like 17-18, looked like they belonged to some football ultra movements) and the other protesters took almost immediate action against them (isolating them, mostly).


You may find this thread interesting, as it concerns the allegation that the property destruction taking place yesterday (edit: Wednesday - I just remembered it's already Friday) was initiated by a police officer. https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1266196890649088000

The looting in Minneapolis is a) rather ancillary to the larger protests against the police, b) an American tradition going back to colonial times, and c) a mix of opportunism and antipathy to US hypercapitalism. A few small stores have been damaged but the destruction has mainly been targeted against corporate retail outlets.


Different places have different forms of political outcry. Protest by destruction of commercial property was a well-known component of American colonial resistance to Britain. (Consider the Boston Tea Party, for example.)

Personally I have never been part of a riotous protest, but in an academic sense I believe that destruction of commercial property does more to force a change in police activity than destruction of police cars and other public property (things that ultimately belong to the people themselves).

You can bet that there are more powerful people in the business community there, than on the police force.

I don't believe this is actively in the mind of most rioters, but I think it is part of the reason that rioting has a major impact on American politics.


Sending police to stop violence is "glorifying violence"? How exactly?


Sending police to shoot at protester is "glorifying violence". As a reference, that's the approach that Assad took in Syria back in 2011.


He mentioned shooting at looters, not protesters.

Maybe you didn't see that part because Twitter has hidden the tweet?


You're right, I mixed the two. In any case I think my point still stands; in most European countries both would be addressed with police batons and in case of violence rubber bullets and tear gas. From his tweet I don't think he was thinking about rubber bullets.


No it wouldn't. Most cases of looting in Europe are just forgotten about because it's done by minorities in countries like France or UK and it's a controversial topic to talk about so police and governments would rather just pretend it doesn't happen.


Mobs in Europe are usually not armed with guns, mobs in USA are.


Shooting at looters instead of arresting them and taking them before a judge?

That's reminiscent of the very brutal police practices that sparked this chaos in the first place.


In which country do you live?

Shooting rubber bullets at rioters and looters is standard practice pretty much everywhere in democracies, and in non-democracies they tend to go straight to lethal ammo.


he said he was sending the army to start shooting, not sending the police to stop violence.


No, see you've immediately moved the goals posts. He didn't say "I'm sending the police to stop violence".


Sigh. Really.

The tweets didn’t offer “sending in the police” it threatened to send the military in. Which isn’t the police.

Word matter. The fact I’m m reading this comment here is sad.


They make sense if there's a big apple logo on the front.


You're underestimating the influence CMC has over the space.

They determine what exchange volume is legit and what isn't, also what coins are worthy of being listed. At the least, this gives Binance additional stability, at the most, they can really consolidate trading volume at their exchange and for Binance approved coins.


>They determine what exchange volume is legit and what isn't, also what coins are worthy of being listed.

Heh, well this aged well:

https://bitcoinist.com/coinmarketcap-new-listing-vote/

https://bitcoinist.com/binance-listing-2-6-million-fee/


The coinmarketcap volume is not legit at all. They created the adjusted volume metric but it's still plain wrong. They currently show a 24h volume of $112Bn and a total market cap of $182Bn - that's just ridiculous.


Good to know.


Well, 5 million / 7 billion is 0.000714, or 714 grams. I doubt it takes anywhere near that much to make a needle.


> You can afford the tenth car because you already contributed to the common good to earn that money!

I'm not trying to offend you, but the notion that your compensation is necessarily proportional to your contribution to public good is terribly naive.

Surely you can agree that there are an endless number of unscrupulous ways to acquire money that don't contribute to public good, in fact, the opposite is often true. Take a corrupt public official, for instance, their contribution towards society is usually many times inversely proportional to their compensation.


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