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It's probably worth it for your company to pay the $84/yr rather than have you go through hoops to move Hubot somewhere else.


They're saying that they doesn't even have the signal strength part.


Can someone explain to me why this is illegal?


He tried to manipulate the market to take an advantage of the shift: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_manipulation

You are not allowed to do this if you are a simple guy from the street.


You are not allowed to do it, full stop.


I don't think High-Frequency and Investment Banks are following the rules. Until caught.


You're not allowed to place an order you have no intention of honoring. Basically it comes down to a question of his intent rather than his actions.


Then why does the API allow it?


Are you suggesting that the API should read your mind to discover whether you really intend to trade on an order that you enter?


I'm suggesting retraction should not be implemented in the first place


That's bizarre. So let's say AAPL is trading at $120, and you put in a limit order to buy it at $110, then you should never be allowed to cancel it? How long does the order sit there for? What if AAPL's price goes up to $400 over the next few months, do you have to leave your limit order there forever?


I don't think fenollop means not withdraw it at all. He means after someone has said "I'll take that offer". At which point you can't withdraw it. So these people will make a loss of enough people take up their offers. This risk is mentioned in the article. It doesn't explain why "spoofing" is illegal though. It should be legal. They are trying to shift the market (so is everyone) through an action that exposes themselves to massive loses.


This system currently does not allow you to withdraw an offer once it has been matched. That is not what happened here.

The reason "spoofing" is illegal is because it gives a huge information advantage to one party that the other parties do not have. Similarly to insider trading. I have no opinion on whether those should be illegal, but if the basic premise of the market changes from "we assume everyone here wants to trade" to "this information is garbage", it will definitely have a negative impact on the price of the traded instruments.


The information isn't garbage though because people can purchase the shares that are being spoofed. Even if the spoofer doesn't want it to happen you can still do it. You agreed with me, you can't withdraw the offers once matched so the offers are legitimate.


I think there is some information loss (I'm not sure how much). In a non-spoofing allowed world (where everyone is playing fairly) volume at the back of an order book has implications on the price at the front of it. Figuring out what the implication "really" is, is a differentiating feature that market makers can compete on.

In a spoofing allowed word, that volume is meaningless. Market makers can only differentiate on how quickly they can pull their fake orders and how much risk they are allowed to play with. Not something I'm sure we want to be optimize the rules for.

That said, given the difficulty in enforcement of this particular rule, it may be worthwhile to just throw our arms up and say, "we can't enforce it, so lets make it legal and everyone moves forward on an even playing field".


Because there are scenarios where the actions he did are both legal and reasonable. As I said, the case is all about intent.


China and Russia, man!

Terrorism, or something.


Their average MRR per customer is four or five digits (see slide eight), and they have 2,814 paying customers according to their homepage, so their MRR is at least ~three million, which puts their ARR at at least 36 million. This implies a multiple of 25 at most. (I think 20 is a common multiple for SaaS companies at this stage.)


Do you remember groove? They had 14 as a multiple for their SaaS but it could've been at the time they had 70k MRR.

ARR at 36 million....and 25 the multiple...gotcha now I have a solid number to gun for.


UPS is a shipping company first and a technology company second. Uber is a technology company first and a (taxi|courier|etc) company second. It's a difference in mentality.


What specifically is the different mentality that gives Uber an advantage? Is this a technology problem, and if so how?


As I understand it, most fingerprint scanners can only distinguish between on the order of tens of thousands of fingerprints. 50,000 is higher than other numbers I've heard for fingerprint scanners (30-40k).


The game can be over after each player makes two moves. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fool's_mate


This might also be custom audience targeting. https://developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/ads-api/custo...


There are gems like shoulda (https://github.com/thoughtbot/shoulda) that make it really easy to do the 'types and typos' kind of unit tests. The marginal time required for any given class is negligible.


The bit about code/processor interchangeability is actually between 3:00 and 3:30.


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