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Larp hat, larp shirt.

How does something being based in Europe actually help anyone?

The one that forced people into their homes, required proof of medical operation to shop at stores, and tries to abolish my second amendment rights? Or the one that god forbid is deporting people that shouldn't be here in the first place.

also how do you reconcile your belief in second amendment rights with alex pretti's death at the hands of ice, an organization empowered by the current admin?

The guy who decided to wrestle with law enforcement officers performing their lawful duties?

Uhhh that was wrong, duh??? But sometime bad things happen? I would much rather ice be empowered and we deport the people who should be deported. Its like how some people died from the vaccine.

lmao who was in office in 2020?

The ones who started the covid mandates were mainly democrat governors. Not sure why some people only pay attention to the president lol.

trump claimed ownership of vaccine development, deployment, and mandates when they were successful. i remember you guys booing him about that

how are you making them lose money by blocking their ip ranges? Your are pretty much giving them money because now they dont need to pay for bandwidth.

Adding this to my #owned compilation.

- Reddit Ralph


but they trust routers from china?


I don't have enough energy and am not skilled enough to write a rude enough hate comment to respond to this, so just imagine I did.


They have been saying this for years but it still isn't the case. Even the best evs take longer to fill up and have the same or worse range as ice cars and are infinitely less user modifiable. Slower to charge, only manufacturers can repair them, and less infrastructure. Without government subsidies people always choose the ice cars unless they are willing to fork over money and time for the environment, not a better vehicle.


Because we don't care about capitalism, we don't want over the air updates to our cars.


I don't want my vehicle connected at all. It's an open invitation to privacy reducing tech and exploits.


When you're fighting the same enemy on a dozen battlefields, you won't stand a chance of winning until you understand that fact and go after the root cause.


Because enshittification wouldn't happen in a centrally-planned economy? What's the basis of this?


Pasting a bit from another comment...

The whole idea of enshittification is that someone makes a high-quality app (or whatever), outcompetes all other entrants, and locks down the market. Then, having acquired pricing power, they can raise prices or, more often (as these tools aren't 'priced' from the perspective of the consumer, but rather indirectly funded e.g. through ads) lower the quality of the product. The steps in this chain are not inherent to 'making products', they emerge entirely from the confines and incentives of our market-based economy.

And it's not just "centrally planned economies" that avoid this. We see evidence from historical modes of production like artisinal handicraft. Despite there not being a free market of producers (as guilds generally possessed legally-enforced monopolies over saleable production) the general quality of goods thereby produced did not generally trend downwards. Indeed, we can see from the sources that in cases where quality was known to have dropped, popular backlash led to interventions, e.g. the various Parisian bread laws, or hallmarking regulations for goldsmiths. Obviously, similar mechanisms exist today in the form of governmental regulations, but the problem with free market economies is that they produce actors both incentivized and empowered to hamstring the government, capture regulators, and ultimately undermine that self-same free market, to their own benefit.


This feels to me like a false dichotomy. The only alternative to the current way of doing things isn't a planned command economy, no matter what "libertarians" or tankies might argue.


Then explain how it would work exactly.

Anything other then capitalism with slightly more regulation is just going from the US to Germany. Great, but they have software updates on cars too.

If you want to change anything more fundamental, you are going to have to do a planned economy.

At best you can say, maybe could be slightly better Germany by having a better political process or something. But even then, software updates in your car are going to be a reality because it solves are problem for manufactures, saves consumers lots of time in many cases and generally the positives outway the negatives.

I bet you 100% that in any planned economy OTA updates would still happen.

At best we can argue for some better practice about OTA Updates in regards to security and functionality. Maybe forcing manufactures to have a 'security only' feed an a 'feature feed'.


> I bet you 100% that in any planned economy OTA updates would still happen.

How so? In a democratically planned economy, we would expect that economic decisions considered by the majority of the population to be unwise/upsetting/etc. would not take place. Yes, many/most decisions would probably happen 'behind the scenes', according to the delegated authority of smaller committees or individual officials, but that's only so long as those decisions don't cause bad results for the broader populace.

More broadly, how exactly would enshittification take place in an economy not based around market principles? The whole idea is that someone makes a high-quality app (or whatever), outcompetes all other entrants, and locks down the market. Then, having acquired pricing power, they can raise prices or, more often (as these tools aren't 'priced' from the perspective of the consumer, but rather indirectly funded e.g. through ads) lower the quality of the product. These steps are not intrinsic to reality, they emerge entirely from the confines of our market-based economy.

And yes, you can argue that in an "ideal market" they wouldn't happen, but a truism of modern economics is that "sufficiently free markets" produce actors with the power and desire to capture/destroy said free market.


I want OTA updates in my car, but I want just benign ones, which add features for free as the software improves.

This kind of attitude is like saying "I don't want software that updates on my PC" when you are actually complaining about SaaS products.


Then don't frame the argument as "over-the-air updates are bad because of capitalism".


I love the over the air updates of my car!


>Producing things that other people use is bad and literally cocaine!!!

>Stop wanting to actually make things and have a well rounded economy!!!


It's poor HN practice to badly strawman others comments.

Dragging up sequestered carbon in the billions upon billions of tonnes and changing the insulation factor of the atmosphere _is_ bad and will lead to no good if not unchecked and somewhat reversed - that's just physics.

Ergo - that should _stop_ and other things should be made that sidestep the issue.


I’m really at a loss with these “we should stop using the abundant natural resource bubbling out of the ground and completely overhaul our entire infrastructure” arguments. We also produce more wind power than anyone else. Change will come incrementally.


> Change will come incrementally.

You and I are in agreement then - and that change will ideally be away from harmful sequestered carbon.

> I have no idea

> I’m really at a loss

Seriously, starte with IEA reports, the IPCC reports, etc. they really do go into excruciating detail about these things you have no idea about and are at a loss to understand.


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